Aino Meilani wrote:RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Ah, now it works. Thanks.
Aino Meilani wrote:RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Tropylium wrote:I've been looking up allophony for these. Many of these have allophony like [m] ~ [b] or [l] ~ [r] which means it'll be a bit misleading to assert that the language "lacks /m/" or "lacks /r/".
Nortaneous wrote:Tropylium wrote:I've been looking up allophony for these. Many of these have allophony like [m] ~ [b] or [l] ~ [r] which means it'll be a bit misleading to assert that the language "lacks /m/" or "lacks /r/".
Doesn't Hawaiian have alveolar~velar variation, at least in the stops?
Nortaneous wrote:Rotokas has [s] as an allophone of /t/ before /i/.
Tropylium wrote:I'm tempted to attempt some sort of a cluster analysis next (inventories placed at a distance from each other by the number of differences; something like /m/ versus /m~b/ or /r/ versus /ɾ/ might count for less) but I'd have to look for suitable software first.
gach wrote:Tropylium wrote:I'm tempted to attempt some sort of a cluster analysis next (inventories placed at a distance from each other by the number of differences; something like /m/ versus /m~b/ or /r/ versus /ɾ/ might count for less) but I'd have to look for suitable software first.
What sort of clustering did you have in mind? I'm not a heavy user of R but it should be able to offer tools for most of the tricks you'd want to do and the web is full of tutorials for it.
cromulant wrote:Strange things happen in the Amazon...
cromulant wrote:Karajá. Really now, the fuck is this supposed to be?.
The voiceless plosive: /k/
The voiced plosives: /b d/
The implosive: /ɗ/
The affricates: /t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
The fricatives: /θ ʃ h/
The lateral: /l/
The tap: /ɾ/
The glide: /w/
Can't tell if serious...
linguoboy wrote:Ah, so now I know where Towcester pastries originated! Cheers.GrinningManiac wrote:Local pronunciation - /ˈtoʊ.stə/
kodé wrote:The only really weird thing here is the lack of nasal phonemes; I'd be surprised if there weren't at least some nasalized allophones of something.
Wikipedia wrote:. /a/ is nasalized word initially and when preceded by /h/ or a voiced stop: /aθi/ → [ãθi] 'grass', /ɔha/ → [ɔhã] 'armadillo'; this in turn nasalizes a preceding /b/ or /d/: /bahadu/ → [mãhãdu] 'group', /dadi/ → [nãdi] 'my mother'
kodé wrote:Not really that strange: if /d ɗ/ is really /t d/ on the level of abstract features, then you get /b t d t͡ʃ d͡ʒ k/, which is completely reasonable.
kodé wrote:Having the two non-glottal fricatives be /θ ʃ/ isn't that strange either: you can see them as underlyingly coronal fricatives with a +/- anterior contrast.
kodé wrote:The only really weird thing here is the lack of nasal phonemes; I'd be surprised if there weren't at least some nasalized allophones of something.
cromulant wrote:And apparently, men's speech lacks [k] and certain instances of [ t͡ʃ]!
linguoboy wrote:So that's what it looks like when the master satirist is moistened by his own moutarde.
Yeah, that's very mild weirdness. It didn't even register with me after being so shocked by the plosives.