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his is a Lostlang, being the language spoken in the Stone Age Alps before the spread of IE into the area.

Phonology:
/p pʼ t tʼ k kʼ q qʼ / <p p' t t' k k' q q'>
/m n/ <m n>
/s̪ s̻ ʃ h/ <z s x h>
/ɬ̪ ɬ̻/ <ɫ ł>
/ts̪ ts̪ʼ tɬ̪ tɬ̪ʼ ts̻ ts̻ʼ tɬ̻ tɬ̻ʼ t͡ʃ t͡ʃʼ/ <tz tz' tɫ tɫ' ts ts' tł tł' tx tx'>
/l/ <l>

All consonants, except the africates and the ejectives can be geminated.

/i y u/ <î ŷ û>
/ɪ ʏ ʊ/ <i y u>
/e ø o/ <ê ŵ ô>
/ɛ œ ɔ/ <e w o>
/ɐ/ <a>
/ɑ/ <â>

The language has tense/lax harmony.

Phonotactics:
(C)V

As a rule, if the consonant of the last syllable of a multisyllabic word can be geminated, it is.

NOUNS:
Nouns have two classes, Animate and Inanimate and two numbers, singular and plural. These are marked by suffixes. Most noun roots have an Animate and an Inanimate version. For example, <P'issw>, when animate means "Person" and when Inanimate means "Corpse".
<P'issw> with class/number marking:
Anim. Sing.: P'iswtta
Anim. Plr.: P'iswkka
Inanim. Sing: P'iswzzo
Inanim Plr: P'iswxxe

CASES AND THEIR ENDINGS:
Nominative: ∅
Accusative: -mmi/mmî
This case is also used for inanimate subjects of intransitive verbs, and for animate subjects of transitive verbs when the action is involuntary, as the language is fluid-S.
Dative: -txw/txŵ
This is an an instrumental case when the noun is proceeded by the particle <Q'o> and benefactive when proceeded by <Lâ>.
Genetive: -hŷ/hy
Locative: -łłâ/łła

INDICATIVE VERBS:
Verbs, in addition to having vowel harmony, have a system that is like consonant harmony applied to their affixes, there being three categories, Fricatives and <l>, Ejectives, and everything else (Labeled as I-III) depending on the last consonant of the verb root.
The first affix marks the class and number of the nominative arguement:
I-class verbs:
Anim. Sing.:-ssa/ssâ
Anim. Plr.: -hha/hhâ
Inanim. Sing: -zzo/zzô
Inanim Plr: -xxe/xxê

II-class verbs:
Anim. Sing.:-ts'a/ts'â
Anim. Plr.: -q'a/q'â
Inanim. Sing: -tz'o/tz'ô
Inanim Plr: -tx'e/tx'ê


III class verbs:
Anim. Sing.:-tsa/tsâ
Anim. Plr.: -qqa/qqâ
Inanim. Sing: -tzo/tzô
Inanim Plr: -txe/txê


The second affix marks the class and number of the accusative arguement:
Anim. Sing.:- łła/ łłâ
Anim. Plr.: -xxa/xxâ
Inanim. Sing: -ɫɫo/ɫɫzô
Inanim Plr: -hhe/hhê

II-class verbs:
Anim. Sing.:-t'a/t'â
Anim. Plr.: -k'a/k'â
Inanim. Sing: -t'o/t'ô
Inanim Plr: -t'e/t'ê


III class verbs:
Anim. Sing.:-ta/tâ
Anim. Plr.: -ka/kâ
Inanim. Sing: -to/tô
Inanim Plr: -te/tê

The next affix marks the tense of the verb. Indicative verbs have 3 tenses: Non-Past, Past and distant Past (Before today):

Non-past (all classes):∅
I Past: łłw/łłŵ
II Past: tł'w/tł'ŵ
III Past:tłw/tłŵ
I Distant Past: lla/llâ
II Distant past: t'a/t'â
III Distant past: tta/ttâ

Examples:
P'iswtta p'iswxemmi lôpûnîtsâtâtłŵ
"Earlier today, a man burnt corpses"

K'itzatammi lôpûnîtâ
"A foreigner is accidentally burning"

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Re: Alpic

Post by Zaarin »

Out of curiosity, I notice you're making a lot of modern versions of dead languages and new languages in old places--are you working on an alternate history?
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What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”

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Re: Alpic

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I'm going through a phase in my conlanging where I sort of need the language grounded in the real world somehow, instead of being in a conworld.

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honestly with the state of our knowledge on where and when you are setting this it might as well be a conworld
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Post by CatDoom »

Well, I mean, we have a pretty thorough understanding of what the biology and geography of the region were like, and we know in broad strokes what kinds of technology were being used in the area. That's a lot of stuff you wouldn't have to make up. :P

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Hallow XIII wrote:honestly with the state of our knowledge on where and when you are setting this it might as well be a conworld
It's a psychological crutch, anyway.

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Is this language meant to have been a possible substratum influence on IE languages?

Also, I can't speak for everyone here, but I find <ɫ ł> to be similar enough that having to differentiate between them massively slows down my reading. I'd use a different pair of characters if this were my conlang. In fact, I'm going to suggest <ź ś> for /ɬ̪ ɬ̻/, thus connecting them to their corresponding sibilants. <ś> for a lateral fricative has a precedent in the study of Semitic languages, and <ź> is a logical extension.
[ʈʂʰɤŋtɕjɑŋ], or whatever you can comfortably pronounce that's close to that

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