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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:33 pm 
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I have a few questions regarding a project I'm working on, related only in the sense that they involve the same project.

1. Are foreign place names--especially culturally significant ones--likely to be reborrowed or morphologically leveled if they become too unrecognizable? For context, I'm working on a Late Medieval form of Punic spoken in the Canary Islands by Syriac Christians. Vowel reduction is going to mangle certain place names. The one that prompted this question is this: Yerūsalêm > ʾirūslêm. Given the symbolic prominence of Jerusalem in Christian imagery, should I expect prominent foreign names like Jerusalem to be reborrowed from Syriac, or am I overthinking something that isn't really a problem?

2. While I haven't found any Punic or Phoenician interjections, I've been able to mine a few from Biblical Hebrew. Could someone point me to the interjection used in any Semitic language for hushing a child, like "shh" or "hush" in English? If not, I can get creative (I was thinking something like ṣūs.

3. Replacing the Phoenician alphabet with the Syriac alphabet after conversion makes sense, right?

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Um I expect that Punic-speaking Christians would adopt Greek script, if they switched scripts at an early date, or Latin script, if they switched scripts at a later date. And why the hell would Syriac Christians go all the way out to the Canary islands instead of Latin Christians?

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For the first, jeʃuaʕ > dʒiːzəs says hi. I think you're fine keeping the nativized ones.


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I think that they might use a made-up relative of Tifinagh if they are isolated. Otherwise, they will use Latin or Arabic, depending on whether they trade more with Arabs/Berbers (who also had Christian communities) or with Roman Catholic countries.

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There were lots of people belonging to minority sects in each province across the Roman Empire in the early centuries of Christianity. If the Canarians are from the early centuries of Rome, they could possibly be a Syrian Orthodox minority that sailed to the Canaries for religious freedom. In that case, however, they probably would lose contact with Syria and end up making their own Syriac church with liturgy in their own language.

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With most of their neighbours / trade partners being in the Latin / Catholic sphere, one can probably also expect a lot of Latin loanwords.


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Here's the stele in question:


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