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This is ambitious - more than a dozen families - but realistic. Continents tend to have that many language families. I'll follow with interest.

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That's what those evil easterners deserve! Don't you that the first time they made contact with this, it was by unprovoked fire on their behalf?!

Edit: Didn't realise what date the last post was, or I wouldn't have made this post.

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I'd like to head any potential flamewars off at the pass before we begin, so here's a little out-of-universe background on the Tlar Canà: Before I decided to make two separate continents instead of one supercontinent, I had conceived of the patriarchy/matriarchy split as occurring on the northwest and southeast halves, respectively, of the original landmass. The matriarchal Tlar Canà were to have been the foil of the Schwarzenegger-esque, manly-man patriarchy of the Tim Ar.


So. A little bit about the Tlar Canà.

The Tlar Canà were originally patriarchal and lived in the southeast of the eastern continent. I haven't worked out the details of the climate yet but I'm hoping to put a jungle or rainforest there and if I can I'd have it rain a lot, at least in Mȍy Bǎȍn.

After first contact was established, there was a remarkable lack of colonialist sentiment on the eastern continent. At least, that was how it was in practice—it certainly existed, but the various Täptäg principalities, which were located on the western coast and were therefore close to the western continent (relatively speaking), started engaging in trade there, and everybody liked how the money flowed in. Most serious plans at colonization of the western continent were therefore arrested; the inhabitants of that continent were generally viewed as some mix of curious, quirky, backward, insufferable, culturally alien, and good for business. (It should be noted that the history of the Rock and the associated archipelago is rather complex and involved multiple changes of hands until the Tim Ar finally steamrolled in and took it over, basically turning it into some mix of Hawaii and Tristan da Cunha.)

At this point I would like to remind y'all about the basic cultural difference between the continents: The civilizations on the eastern continent tended to be more patriarchal in structure, whereas those on the western continent tended more towards matriarchy.

On the western continent, circumstances were different. On the eastern coast, where the early contact occurred, there were no primarily trade-driven polities like the Täptäg city-states (nobody had figured out that you could get to the continent from the other side yet). Several powerful empires existed (such as those of the Waqwaq/Wohoq and, pertinently, the Jädawan) and they had no qualms about invading these new lands to increase their holdings. Eventually someone figured out that the world was round but small enough that you could reach the other continent from the other way in a reasonable amount of time.

Initial attempts at colonization began with the Xiaoxiao, on that big island in the eastern sea; I'm not sure yet how they panned out. The Jädawan eventually made some inroads onto the mainland. They ended up setting up a colony of some permanence in Tlar Canà land and began rewriting the culture. Under their rule they gradually installed a matriarchy. The matriarchy took hold most deeply in the land of the Tlar Canà, to the extent that even after four hundred years of decolonization and propaganda efforts by the Tim Ar, the new social order is still in place. Males are generally treated like second-class citizens, good only for labor, procreation, and running into gunfire (cf. the barefoot-and-pregnant stereotype in human societies); this treatment extends to language as well—male speech realizes syllable-initial /tl/ as an affricate [tɬ], whereas female speech generally features a stop-liquid sequence, and a big deal is made of these differences in articulation.

The Tlar Canà are basically the rump state of the Jädawan on the eastern continent—think Russia after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They are the major power broker on that side of the landmass. This being said, they are more like a loose conglomeration of ethnically-related people clustered around a few regional power centers that fight each other for power; there are three of note: Mȍy Bǎȍn, Ngòynâ, and Nǐcúwār.

Mȍy Bǎȍn, the "Golden City", is the largest of the three, and wields the most influence, though its power is declining. The dialect spoken there is considered the standard or prestige dialect. For most intents and purposes it is the capital city of the whole political unit.

Ngòynâ is the second-largest and second-most powerful. Two of its claims to fame are a well-regarded institution of higher learning and a very old and large library system.

Nǐcúwār is the odd one out, but is gaining power. The treatment of males there is not as severe as it is in regions dominated by Mȍy Bǎȍn or Ngòynâ, and males who have been treated particularly badly often try to escape to here or to an allied area. The women's speech there realizes syllable-initial /tl/ as [dl], further alienating them in the eyes of the other regions.


The big war in history, the World War II of the setting, was the one between the Tim Ar and the Jädawan. It occurred when technology was more or less comparable to the WWII-era, but lasted for about forty years.

The Tim Ar were not even a coherent polity just prior to it. At that point they were still a scattered group of small states and city-states that happened to more-or-less share a common language and lineage. They, however, looked at the Jädawan encroachment with trepidation—as I said above, they were a bunch of Schwarzenegger-esque patriarchal states, and to them, the matriarchy was repulsive, and it was on their doorstep. This outside pressure stopped them from fighting with each other enough to band together under the leader of a military general; he became the first Imperator. The goal wasn't even to completely destroy the Jädawan, but rather to force them off the continent and return to the prior status quo, such as it was.

There were imperialistic aspects to the war, and in the decades following the Tim Ar gobbled up more land to the north and east. I haven't decided the reasoning but the southern regions were mostly left alone; the Baigas were installed as a buffer state, and their government has been periodically ousted and replaced ever since.

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Looking at the expenses of WII, I don't think that either side could keep on fighting for 40 years. The German economy was going under massive inflation towards the end, and whichever side is not fighting on a home front (the colonialist Jädawan) manages to keep its infrastructure for making weapons of war while the other side (Tim Ar) has its entire economy and industry (everything, from agriculture to tanks to genuine copies of rare cigarette trading cards with signatures by famous people) gets ravaged by ground warfare and aerial bombing. The only hope the Tim Ar have is foreign intervention, bringing the fight to the Jädawan native beaches or an early end to the war.

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I, at some point, sat down and tried to work out the climate of your conworld for reasons that now escape me and assuming that the big map you posted is an equirectangular map then you probably wont have a rainforest in that area. You would probably have a humid subtropical climate, and it will probably be drier in the inland parts.
I am going to very tenatively, and based mostly on partially educated guesswork say that the south of the area will probably be reasonable like southern China, while close to the northern coast things might be more rainforesty like a Köppen Am or the wetter end of Aw.

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Another thing which seems like an obvious objection in hindsight: the things that made WWI and II so markedly different from the wars of previous eras was the involvement of huge amounts of countries from around the world, the use of weapons of mass destruction by both sides, genocides, new military tactics, the loss of many millions of soldiers and millions of civilians, the unprecedented wholesale destruction of economies and the environment, the subjugation of many countries, the brutal dictatorships and the constant rivalries within the leadership within them (sometimes resolved by purges), use of POWs as slave labour, total warfare, use of global spy networks, and the massive disregard by both sides for each others' humanity (see Allied internment and anti-civilian warfare for examples of how the "moral side" also did this). The war you mentioned sounds more like the Anglo-Mysore Wars with tanks.

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I've been doing some thinking lately about how Tim Ar writing developed (as well as the writing for my eight-phoneme conlang, but that's another matter). Proto-Tim Ar-O had no native writing system (at least in this iteration), and I therefore envisioned the speakers constituting a state like the Inca Empire was, which then collapsed. I don't want the Tim Ar inventing, for example, an alphasyllabary out of nothing, but I also want to maintain my current scripts for them.

One option would be to have the historical majority of writing be in some other prestige language. The problem is that the Tim Ar are pretty staunch nationalists and wouldn't take kindly to this. Perhaps if they were originally absorbed into some other empire that eventually destabilized and collapsed, leaving a bunch of smaller polities (like the ones they originated from)…

Another might be to have them invent a regular syllabary first. This, though, would require that I make one for an earlier stage of the language. Tim Ar is supposed to be conservative in regards to language change (especially phonological change). I was about to say I didn't care much for this option, but it occurs to me that there would be fewer vowels in the earlier stage of the language, and this might pave the way for reforms once the vowel shifts occurred. Unfortunately for me I would need around 3750 symbols (at least!).

The next option is beginning with logograms. I already have my hands full with Caber, Waqwaq, and a couple other projects I want to develop some more (or start in the first place).

Another option—hieroglyphics. This is the least-desirable, because I feel that, if I'm following the Egyptian example, I'd need quite a few, possibly even more than with the syllabary.

Any advice on how to proceed?

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The easiest option is that the Tim Ar take the writing system of another language and make their own distinctive version of it, like Fraktur in Germany or the . Even better is to make a distinctive version of an older version of a foreign orthography, such as how Germanic runes and the Latin script are both descended from the Old Italic script. Destablisation of an empire that conquered them works, or they could be hired as mercenaries in ancient times. Nationalism didn't mean as much in our ancient world as it means since Napoleon was exiled. Many Germanic people adopted Latin script after contact, despite many of them having runes instead (it helped that runes were only readable to a priestly class and associated with Germanic soothsaying. When tribes converted to Christianity, it made sense to switch to a script unassociated with pagan mysticism).

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I added some landmass to the planet in an effort to try to get the albedo down and thus keep the planet a bit warmer. This is a revised climate map.


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So I'm trying to figure out where and when writing first developed. So far I have the following:

- Caber logograms (eastern continent)
- Khaya monumental script (eastern continent)
- Waqwaq logograms (western continent)

I'm thinking there will be a few other places where it appears—this isn't like Earth where its development was restricted to the Middle East, China, and Mesoamerica. There will of course be script systems that are not really descended from other systems but are influenced by them (cf. Cherokee script or Inuktitut syllabics).

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There really aren't any constraints, other than that people are unlikely to create entirely new writing systems when they already a literate society. Writing could even hypothetically emerge several times within the same language family.

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Quick sketch of a group from the conworld and their language.

The Uhuiquenta /uwikenta/ were a people who were contemporaneous with the Classical Khaya civilization. They notably invaded the lands occupied by what would become the Tim Ar; one theory is that this language influenced the development of tone in Ngade n Tim Ar, and the language is demonstrably a source of loanwords that would violate constraints originating from Tim Ar historical phonology.

/m n ŋ/ m n g
/t k ʔ/ t c/qu ʔ
/f s/ s
/w l/ hu l

/u a e i/ u a e i

Three tones: High, mid, low (á a à)

Nasals assimilate to the place of a following consonant.
/f/ has an allophone [p], written p, after /m/.
/w/ is deleted after /ŋ/.
A sequence /ʔʔ/ reduces to /ʔ/.
/wu/ surfaces as [wo] huo.

(C)V(N/ʔ)

Pronouns

Forms are given in the format ERGATIVE : ABSOLUTIVE.

1SG cuhuá : queʔá
2SG.M.older huìg : huiʔ
2SG.M.younger ìʔqué : séqueg
2SG.F.older ùli : na
2SG.F.younger càhuó : huànì
3SG.M. isùm : lùm
3SG.F umpé : fíʔ

1PL iqué : ʔé
2PL.M.older cahuí : gúhua
2PL.M.younger igqui : mígcaʔ
2PL.F.older úl : ul
2PL.F.younger lògcu : sàʔcag
3PL.M. còʔ : ámpe
3PL.F mínqueʔ : saʔquì

There are two words for "to go" that depend on the case-marking of the subject:

íqui 'go' (takes ergative subject)
huagè 'go' (takes absolutive subject)

This allows for sentences like:

Cuhuá huó lùm sèm íqui.
"I command him and I go."

Cuhuá huó lùm sèm huagè.
"I command him and he goes."

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