The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread
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[ˈfoːʊ̯jɘːtʃ] or, carefully, [ˈfoːʊ̯iːˌɘːtʃ]
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
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[ˈfɔu̯ɫɪd͡ʒ]
I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage".
I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage".
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific
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Same.Imralu wrote:[ˈfɔu̯ɫɪd͡ʒ]
I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage".
The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant with /oy/ that I dimly recall hearing and perhaps using when I was a child.
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What is /oh/ in that transcription? /ɔː/?linguoboy wrote:The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant with /oy/ that I dimly recall hearing and perhaps using when I was a child.
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I've also heard it with /oi/ often enough that it wouldn't really strike me as unusual.linguoboy wrote:Same.Imralu wrote:[ˈfɔu̯ɫɪd͡ʒ]
I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage".
The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant with /oy/ that I dimly recall hearing and perhaps using when I was a child.
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What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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/ɔː/ isn't a thing in American English, which is what Trager-Smith was designed for. It corresponds to /ɔ/ in most other systems (and to /ɑ/ or /a/ for those varieties which are cot-caught merged).Pole, the wrote:What is /oh/ in that transcription? /ɔː/?linguoboy wrote:The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant with /oy/ that I dimly recall hearing and perhaps using when I was a child.
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As long as the phoneme isn't merged, this designation is — in my opinion — valid, apart from whether the sound itself is realized as [ɔ], [ɑ] or [a]./ɔː/ isn't a thing in American English
Regardless of whether there is a need for a separate system, I don't think it's a good design. /oh/ doesn't really ring a bell in context of English phonology. (The first time I've read your post I thought you were talking about «oh» /oʊ/ and «ow» /aʊ/, but it didn't really make sense.)which is what Trager-Smith was designed for
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It might just be a spelling-based variant your mind came up with, since it's not really a common word. How would /oh/ in "spoliation" sound to you?linguoboy wrote:Same.Imralu wrote:[ˈfɔu̯ɫɪd͡ʒ]
I simply ignore the "i", as in "marriage".
The reason I asked is that I found myself accidentally saying it with /oh/ instead of /ow/ the other day and it didn't sound odd to me, but so far I can't find any examples of that variant in the wild. Supposedly there's also a variant with /oy/ that I dimly recall hearing and perhaps using when I was a child.
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Fine, but (a) I don't recall ever hearing this word spoken aloud and (b) I have a longstanding tendency to favour "short" pronunciations of vowels in Latinate words regardless of etymology. (For instance, for years I pronounced velar with /eh/[*] and when I first learned apoptosis, I pronounced it as a paroxytone with /oh/ and the second <o> reduced.)Sumelic wrote:It might just be a spelling-based variant your mind came up with, since it's not really a common word. How would /oh/ in "spoliation" sound to you?
[*] Suck it, the Pole.
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I don't understand any of the phonemic stuff just listed...
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Well, if you want to keep being incomprehensible, it's your choice…linguoboy wrote:[*] Suck it, the Pole.
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I tried googling Trager-Smith but couldn't find any sort of explanation.
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Thank you for your concern!Pole, the wrote:Well, if you want to keep being incomprehensible, it's your choice…linguoboy wrote:[*] Suck it, the Pole.
Back on the subject of vowel quality in learned vocabulary, I think homosexual and related words (e.g. homoerotic, homophobia) are the only ones where I pronounce the prefix homo- /howmow/. The stressed vowel is definitely /oh/ in homologous and homophone even though it's a different vowel in each case.
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IIUC: I think he was saying he usually says [ˈfowlɪd͡ʒ] but once caught himself saying [ˈfɔlɪd͡ʒ] instead and observed that this didn't sound odd to him. He vaguely recalled even hearing and perhaps using [ˈfɔjlɪd͡ʒ] before, and Zaarin confirmed that he's heard this particular pronunciation too often to consider it unusual. Then Sumelic suggested that this pronunciation of linguoboy's might have been spelling-based(!) and asked him how the first vowel(?) in 'spoliation' would sound to him, and linguoboy said he'd never heard 'spoliation' spoken aloud and he prefers "shorter" vowel pronunciations in Latinate words, e.g. he used to pronounce velar as [ˈvɛlɹ̩] (incidentally, I believe this is a commonly accepted pronunciation at least among American linguists and that some professors would pronounce it this way themselves) and apoptosis as something like [əˈpʰɔɾɨsɪs] (or maybe [əˈpʰɔɾəsɪs]). In his last post, he was saying probably the only words where he pronounces homo- as [howmow] have to do with homosexuality, because in homologous and homophone, he definitely pronounces the stressed vowel as [ɔ].Imralu wrote:I don't understand any of the phonemic stuff just listed...
"Suck my pole!"linguoboy wrote:[*] Suck it, the Pole.
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Dude, you're haplologising!Vijay wrote:apoptosis as something like [əˈpʰɔɾɨsɪs] (or maybe [əˈpʰɔɾəsɪs]).
I am scandalised that you would even imagine me saying such a thing!Vijay wrote:"Suck my pole!"
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Wait, I am??linguoboy wrote:Dude, you're haplologising!Vijay wrote:apoptosis as something like [əˈpʰɔɾɨsɪs] (or maybe [əˈpʰɔɾəsɪs]).
EDIT: Oh, I reread your post. I guess you meant something like [æpəˈtʰoʊsɪs] (but then how do you pronounce it now?). But then how is that hap...well, I guess because of the stress shift?
Too street?I am scandalised that you would even imagine me saying such a thing!Vijay wrote:"Suck my pole!"
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Lol.Vijay wrote:"Suck my pole!"linguoboy wrote:[*] Suck it, the Pole.
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I mean because you dropped a /p/ in your attempt at representation. I initially said /ə'pohptəsihs/ and switched to /əˌpohp'towsihs/ after speaking to a friend who used the word in his work.Vijay wrote:Wait, I am??linguoboy wrote:Dude, you're haplologising!Vijay wrote:apoptosis as something like [əˈpʰɔɾɨsɪs] (or maybe [əˈpʰɔɾəsɪs]).
EDIT: Oh, I reread your post. I guess you meant something like [æpəˈtʰoʊsɪs] (but then how do you pronounce it now?). But then how is that hap...well, I guess because of the stress shift?
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Oh, I didn't realize some people pronounce the second p.
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I didn't realise some people didn't!Vijay wrote:Oh, I didn't realize some people pronounce the second p.
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Funny, Wiktionary makes it look like it's people who pronounce the last vowel [ɪ] that drop the [p] and people who pronounce it [ə] that don't, except in British English.
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What is 'I'mma' supposed to be pronounced like? The closrst thing I ever hear is /a(I)m@n@/.
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I'd say [ˈʔajmə], but apparently, it's supposed to be [ˈʔaːmə].
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...There are initial glottal stops in English?Vijay wrote:I'd say [ˈʔajmə], but apparently, it's supposed to be [ˈʔaːmə].
"But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?”
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Huh? Of course there are.Zaarin wrote:...There are initial glottal stops in English?Vijay wrote:I'd say [ˈʔajmə], but apparently, it's supposed to be [ˈʔaːmə].
English speakers usually insert a glottal stop before word initial vowels, like in the words it, ate, and ouch.