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I couldn't find info on Wikipedia at all, but it might be a Southern (or south-central?)trait, based on garysk's post and an early board member from the Shreveport LA area.

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my father is the ONLY person I have ever heard pronounce the /l/ in walk/talk/stalk, so this may be a Southernism and may well be dying out. In my experience, MOST people pronounce the /l/ in calm/balm/psalm, but I have heard them without also, but not often. These are all features that are very easy to miss unless one is looking for the differences. And since they are all monosyllables, their share of the total speech signal of an utterance is very small, making it hard to detect the inclusion or elision of the /l/ in rapid speech.

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I myself was wondering that too - walk/talk/stalk/balk and half/calf lack /l/ in any variety resembling Standard English that I know of.

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Brit here, and I don't believe I have ever heard the l pronounced in any of these words, except maybe "balm"


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I sometimes have /l/ in "caulk", but I think that's because I did indeed learn about caulking from books. Similarly, when I was younger it took me a little while to realise that the "bork line" was actually a "baulk line".

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I'm pretty sure that in talk/walk/stalk, I pronounce the <l> as /ʎ/.


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Ah, yes, I forgot about almond too. I pronounce the /l/ just is in calm/balm/psalm. In particular, the /l/ in psalm seems right, if you consider "psalter' (unless some pronounce it /psatɚ/ or /psɔtɚ/); the /l/ seems inherent. Unlike caulk (with /l/), I pronounce baulk as /bɔk/ though sometimes /balk/. It's very difficult to determine if my pronunciation is what I learned as L1, or if it has been influenced by spelling pronunciation.

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In the case of valve, the pronunciation with /l/ is the standard pronunciation. It seems that this elision/vocalization of /l/ only applies to words containing EModE /al/ followed by /m/, /k/, /f/, or /v/ (when it alternates with /f/), for whatever reason.

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