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Doublespeak In Action: According to an En Marche minister, having a government minister answer a question asked by a parliamentarian about a law project is "authoritarian". But introducing a law project aiming at reducing the ability of parliamentarians to discuss laws is not authoritarian at all.


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Part of the reason that the French parliament is so right-wing at the moment is the level of abstention at the legislative elections (roughly 30% of the eligible voters voted in the presidential election last year, but not in the legislatives), which I hypothesise as partly due to legislatives being seen as less important, and partly because voters were disappointed with the results of the presidential election. Another is the fact that Macron as candidate positioned himself significantly further to the centre/left compared to his current right-wing positions: 4 So there were a significant amount of ex-Socialist voters who voted Macron thinking he was centre-left and are now very disappointed. An this shows up in byelections ( ) : the main general trends in byelections in the past year are losses for En Marche and Front National and gains for a bunch of others, most notably the Republicans, the Socialists and France Insoumise. It hasn't resulted in many seat changes, but it doesn't bode well for En Marche in the European elections next year, let alone 2022.

Major strikes in France have been popular, for example the strikes in 1995 which were supported by 60% of the population, and made Alain Juppé remove parts of his reform plan. May 68 was followed by syndicalist success but electoral failure, in my opinion because of the anti-election slogans that were current at the time.


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Macron himself said that "France is missing a king".

Can you elaborate on your impressions of the recent protests the past week?


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Several things about them have left me a little dejected.

- On may 1st, the black blocks decide to sack a McDonald's. Mélenchon claims it "must be the far right", despite all evidence.
- Violent insults to Libération (left to far-left newspaper) from FI supporters for reporting an accurate - but disappointing - count of the protesters.
- The turnout on May 5th demonstration is disappointed. Not to worried, Alexis Corbière (Mélenchon's second-in-command) claims a resounding success and posts a picture of the 1998 World Cup. When called up on it, claims it was an honest mistake.
The most depressing thing was to see FI sympathisers, showing up in support: "It's all right, Alexis, everyone one makes mistakes". Yeah, right, that was an honest mistake, 40,000 people place de la Bastille look just like half a million on the Champs Elysées!

Not to say that the other side wasn't deeply depressing as well. We've had the pleasure to see:
- once again, the liberal application on tear gas.
- 15 year old kids rounded up for 48 hours at the police station.
- a fairly stupid claim that "la Fête à Macron" (that's how the May 5th demonstrations were called) is ungrammatical.
- And, regarding, the destruction of the Bastille McDonald's, the nagging feeling that the Black Block were deliberately allowed to do their thing in order to discredit the whole movement.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:10 pm 
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Mélenchon has since recanted concerning the suspicions of far right groups ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBjtm6bZHn4&t=1152s ).

For the count, pretty much every newspaper and other media outlet repeated the statistics offered them by an organisation called Occurence ( ). Occurence has the habit of doing the statistics for indoor events, where the counting is much simpler. And they seem to have applied very similar rules to the Fête à Macron: whoever passes this line gets counted. But the outdoor nature of the event, along with very specific nature of it, means that this same technique is not necessarily appropriate because many people were at the event without crossing the line chosen. I was at the Fête à Macron here in Réunion for more or less the whole time, but, depending on where the counters would have placed the line, I wouldn't necessarily have crossed it. And the figures offered by Occurence to journalists were way lower than even police figures (which were at 100,000, compared to the 160,000 figure of the France Insoumise and 40,000 figure of Occurence).
But I understand that insults are not the way to go, especially for a newspaper that is more or less an ally.

The idea that the CRS deliberately allow people to smash things, but restrict peaceful protesters, has been around for more than a decade, even among ex-CRS people. And a CRS this time around has said he got notice too late: .

By the way, I disagree with the description of Macron as a moderate conservative, particularly the 'moderate' part. On some issues, especially gifts to the megarich, he's to the right of Sarkozy. Who wasn't exactly known as left-leaning right-winger. Although I suppose it depends on how you define 'conservative' and what relation you accord it to the word 'right-wing'.

As for "who is the opposition?", a recent survey shows Mélenchon followed by LePen are major figures and that trade union figures are stronger at opposing Macron than the leader of the main old (however revamped in name only) right-wing party, the Republicans.


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