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DF · Post by DF » Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:04 pm

pharazon wrote:Wouldn't you want to actually be able to use the official script?

Eh?

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:22 pm

DarkFantasy wrote:
pharazon wrote:Wouldn't you want to actually be able to use the official script?
Eh?

Sorry, got confused there; I thought you meant the actual Elkaril script, not the emoticon version.

Warmaster · Post by **Warmaster** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:03 pm

Rory wrote:Shall I work on the boy bands of Kebri?

No?

Oh.

Thats even more funny considering i know what music you actually listen to!

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:57 pm

Warmaster wrote:
Rory wrote:Shall I work on the boy bands of Kebri?

No?

Oh.

Thats even more funny considering i know what music you actually listen to!

Yes, nothing but Village People for Rory.

Warmaster · Post by **Warmaster** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:40 pm

pharazon wrote:
Warmaster wrote:
Rory wrote:Shall I work on the boy bands of Kebri?

No?

Oh.

Thats even more funny considering i know what music you actually listen to!
Yes, nothing but Village People for Rory.

DF · Post by DF » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:31 pm

Dudicon, how's the Elkari emoticons coming?

Dudicon · Post by **Dudicon** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:37 pm

DarkFantasy wrote:Dudicon, how's the Elkari emoticons coming?

Going well--I've got all the phonetic bits done and am starting on the prefixes and suffixes.

Space Dracula · Post by **Space Dracula** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:53 pm

zompist wrote:Upcoming projects:

The lawn gnomes of Viminia
Diabetics' guide to Verduria
Boy bands of Kebri
From the Salon of Sculpture: Inexi plumbing standards
Uytainese knock-knock jokes
Ghee: A polyunsaturated language
():o(|.)E - Representing Elkar?l using emoticons
Helpful hints for writing Almean slashfic

With all that, it's hard to promise revisions of any existing languages. I do hope to write a description of Old Verdurian one day.

The Western languages are polysynthetic.

You should do absolutely all of this. ALL.

vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:33 pm

What are your real upcoming projects?

Post by **zompist** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:07 am

I try not to say too much about what I'm working on... it increases expectations, and sometimes I find myself promising something for years.

One ongoing project is everything to do with Xurno; the work on the Wede:i family was part of this.

(By the way, I deleted an attempted Eddyjacking.)

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:59 pm

I'm really excited about Xurn?? and everything. For some reason, the Xengi area has caught my interest more than most other Almean regions. On a side note, there is something I have been wondering about Xurno: What do the Xurnese think about the Cuolese, ie. is their conflict merely territorial, or is some of that Axunaic racism still lying about? Has the Revaudo affected views of the Wede:i and their descendants at all? I understand if you haven't worked this out yet, but I though I would give it a shot.

vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:01 pm

Just to show off
Ariz lavani sala Obenzayat
(My tongue is Obenzayat)

So Haleza Grise · Post by **So Haleza Grise** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:08 pm

vlaran of verduria wrote:Just to show off
Ariz lavani sala Obenzayat
(My tongue is Obenzayat)

Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I'm not sure whether that's the right way to phrase it. I think the Obenzayet's name for themselves is ?bingkayaz but I don't know whether that could be used adjectivally. And the 3rd person singular present of the copula is sahiz. Obenzayat word order is VSO, and genitives come after the noun. And I don't know whether lavani has the same meaning in the modern Obenzayet, or whether the semantics have changed somewhat. Having said all that, I'm completely unable to say what a better version of the sentence would be; in such things, I feel it best to defer to the Boardlord

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vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:17 pm

Well i'm only 10

vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:20 pm

I looked lightley through the proto eastern sight for word order but then just used SVO

Post by **zompist** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:33 pm

valinta wrote:On a side note, there is something I have been wondering about Xurno: What do the Xurnese think about the Cuolese, ie. is their conflict merely territorial, or is some of that Axunaic racism still lying about? Has the Revaudo affected views of the Wede:i and their descendants at all? I understand if you haven't worked this out yet, but I though I would give it a shot.

Good question. Fortunately for the Cuolese, the racism is social transformation and a couple of religious revivals past.

In the early Axunaic states, all Wede:i formed a slave class. But since children of Ezichimi were considered full Ezichimi, the class steadily shrank, and had effectively disappeared by imperial times (the epoch of Axunai).

With the rise of Xurno came the abandonment of Meshaism for Endaju?, which viewed all human states (sex, race, status) as contingent, mere steps in the Dance. And this was taken even more seriously by Revaudo, which is very egalitarian in doctrine.

The Xurnese are still inclined to see Xurno as the apex of civilization; they consider Cuoli to be a backward state, though less foreign than (say) Skouras or the Jippirasti states. But this is no longer a racial thing.

vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:37 pm

So would Xurnese society be a bit like an ideal communist (not corrupted) state?

Post by **zompist** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:06 pm

vlaran of verduria wrote:So would Xurnese society be a bit like an ideal communist (not corrupted) state?

Not very much; it's not exactly like any terrestrial society. You can get a glimpse here:

http://www.zompist.com/almea.htm#Xurno

but for full details you'll have to wait for the Diary of the Prose Years...

Nuntar · Post by **Nuntar** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:10 pm

Only 10? You must be our youngest member... is there any special award we can give this guy?

So Haleza Grise · Post by **So Haleza Grise** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:32 pm

vlaran of verduria wrote:Well i'm only 10

Of course; and I certainly didn't mean to discourage you.

Somehow my post ended up on the wrong thread . . . hmm.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:24 pm

Ahribar wrote:Only 10? You must be our youngest member... is there any special award we can give this guy?

"Youngest Member Award"?

Shm Jay · Post by **Shm Jay** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:22 pm

Rory wrote:
Ahribar wrote:Only 10? You must be our youngest member... is there any special award we can give this guy?
"Youngest Member Award"?

I?d call it after the last teenage emperor of Cadhinor but I can?t find the old board where his name was revealed. I think it would be the Medhroric III Award.

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:47 am

Shm Jay wrote:I?d call it after the last teenage emperor of Cadhinor but I can?t find the old board where his name was revealed. I think it would be the Medhroric III Award.

The last emperor of Cadhinor was Ertala, according to the Historical Atlas and the Secret History of Verduria; he was indeed young and ambitious, but not that pleasant a character (and he was defeated and killed himself to boot). Maybe something different...

I might suggest the Prince Velto Award, after the Prince of Verduria in the "present day" of Mark's world. Velto is the younger child of King Alric, who is the son of King Vlaran, and thus directly tied to our Vlaran here.

The only objection is that Velto is even younger in the present day--he's not much more than a toddler. Still, one can imagine that he'll grow...

p@,
Glenn

Post by **zompist** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:15 am

Nice to see people interested in Obenzayet... Vlaran, are you really 10 years old? That does make you the youngest member, though I think someone or another started at 12.

So Haleza's comments are good. The sentence should be (according to my grammatical sketch):

Sahiz kuran ariz Ubingkayi?.
is language my Obenzayet-gen.

(L?vani does mean 'tongue', but the word for 'language' is kuran, where k is velarized.)

Post by **zompist** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:24 am

Glenn Kempf wrote:
Shm Jay wrote:I?d call it after the last teenage emperor of Cadhinor but I can?t find the old board where his name was revealed. I think it would be the Medhroric III Award.
The last emperor of Cadhinor was Ertala, according to the Historical Atlas and the Secret History of Verduria; he was indeed young and ambitious, but not that pleasant a character (and he was defeated and killed himself to boot). Maybe something different...

You're both right.

Shm Jay has however somehow remembered the teenaged emperor's father, Cadh. Medrorikh III, V. Medric 3e. His son was Melisuertos III / Melis?r, who lost his realm to the Curiyans in 2792.

The marquis Bura expelled the Curiyans in 2917; it was his son Ertala who suffered the ignomious fate Glenn describes, in 2950.

The current kings of Zh?sifo style themselves eloroi rather than ataboi 'emperors', and Verdurian usage is to call Bura and Ertala eloroi too, on the grounds that they were merely local kings, and that the imperial tradition had been broken.

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