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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:53 pm 
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One think I always find of interest, but seldom perturbing, is the errors people make when speaking languages they have learnt as second language speakers (usually after the formative years). If any here are game to it, I thought we might as well share our own erroneous tendences.

While learning German in High School (and I was about the only person in my German classes doing that), I would often try to use wholly off the mark word order.

ex. I would often say things akin to, "Ich du liebst.," instead of "Ich liebst du."

Other times, the error could be akin to, "T?tete er ich " rather than, "Ich t?tete er.


As a more minor problem, it took me a long time to adapt to using werden to form the future tense, rather than the modal will, which I tended toward as it resembled the English use.

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"Ich will zu das Buchhandlung fahre." rather than what I think is the correct form, "Ich werde zu das Buchhandlung fahren." (given my woefully limited proficiency with the language, I likely made an error in my supposedly correct form)

Irregular verbs were a general nuisance, but none so much as nehmen. I never did learn that one properly.

I've only been studying Japanese for roughly five months and have not yet experimented with the language enough on my own to get a lot wrong. But I do tend to end sentences with か when answering questions, mostly on reflex. And sometimes I gaff the proper forms of 'to be' and fail to distinguish animate and inanimate.

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In Latin, I get the two past tenses (perfect and imperfect) mixed up a lot; eg I'd write navigavit for "he was sailing" rather than navigabat, and then I'm go and write navigabat for "he sailed" rather than navigavit, et cetera :) :?

I used to pronounce Latin horribly, but then again so did my teacher, my peers, and everyone else I knew... now they're annoyed because I pronounce it differently than they do (ie the right way) :D

I also tend to mix up the word order; either Anglify or Wierdify it- eg, OSV order when there's no reason to emphasize the object, and that sorta thing.

Here's one thast's sorta interesting: In Gonardoi, participles and gerunds are used for most secondary clauses (though relative clauses get their own verb)- for example, "I want to eat a mouse" is velennena catto manin, where manin is the present active participle of mani "to eat". I've started to occasionally accidentally use that sort of construction instead of infinitives in Latin, eg porcum cibantem volo for "I want to eat the pig" instead of porcum cibare volo. A few times I've actually done that in English, too :|


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I started learning Russian after four years of high-school French, so my Russian pronunciation was initially rather French-flavored. (Incidentally,a friend of mine who came to work in Russia after receiving a college degree in Spanish reports that she "mixes" Spanish and Russian in a manner similar to that described by linguoboy.) In addition, once I began learning to write in the Cyrillic alphabet, I went through a period during which I kept inadvertently using Cyrillic letters when writing in English...:wink:

My mistakes in Russian over the last decade and a half have, of course, been legion, but I can't remember all of them offhand. I've had to fight against using English word order when it's not appropriate, problems with pronunciation (merging sh and shch, pronouncing normal'no with an unpalatalized l), and Anglicisms such as prefacing every statement with Ya dumayu, chto... ("I think that...").

I've already cited a couple of examples of problems that my Kazakh-speaking students in Kazakhstan had speaking Russian--primarily gender confusion, and occasionally irregular verbs, like the little girl who used vozmili instead of vzyali as a past tense for vzyat'--"Vy ego vozmili!" (rather like saying in English, "You taked it!" instead of "You took it!").

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I get a fair amount of mty german confused, especially when there is a slight difference in the meaning of two words, which I don't really get, like lassen vs verlassen (to leave vs to leave in a minutely different context)


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My funniest mistake came in Spanish 1. I was talking to the new teacher, and I said about the previous teacher, 'Nos gustan Morir a Jos?', when I meant 'Nos gustan <kill> a Jos?' (Damn the dissapearance of my Castellano dictionary. I've got a New Mexican/So Coloradoan dictionary, but of course it doesn't have kill in it). He wasn't a bad teacher, he was actually one of the best, we just were exaspirated at his rapid-fire English.

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In order, I have formally studied German, Spanish, and Japanese, and in class one day, these three languages came together and left me mumbling and scratching my head.

There is a word in Japanese, a German loanword, arubaito. This is the Japanese representation of the German word Arbeit (the verb is arbeiten with arbeit as the stem), meaning work. In Japanese it's slightly more narrow in meaning and specifically means part-time job, but at the time it was the only word the class knew for work. Some of you may also know the present-tense, first person, singular conjugation in Spanish is formed by attaching an o to the stem.

My Japanese professor asked me what I do after school, and I wanted to say, I work, which is, arubaito wo shimasu. I immediately said, arubaito, which my brain convinced me was the first person conjugation of the word meaning to work (arubait+o). I then just kind of trailed off and looked stupid for several seconds, but thankfully my instructor knew I knew Japanese well enough that I was probably just blanking for no reason, and he asked me a couple of extra questions before I properly answered his question.

A German borrowing, Japanese phonotactics, and Spanish conjugation were not my friends that day.


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How can you possibly have a drive-thru funeral parlour? There must be a law against dead folks getting up and driving away...


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