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Can we just clear one thing up here and now: Skomaker'n doesn't speak like he claims to. The majority of his "oddities" are affectations.

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: /p/ palatalized to /c/ before a front vowel

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has "semi-voiced" fricatives? WTF is that?

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Recording done.
Can be fetched here: http://host-a.net/Skomakarn/tt.zip

Contains two files:

Tgf.mp3 is the idiolect at it's full... uh... "power". The way I mostly talk to my girlfriend.
Ttr.mp3 is more adapted to other people, and it can get even closer to standard than this. Especially when talking to teachers or complete strangers.

Here is what I'm saying, in Standard Swedish orthography:

Hej. Jag heter Adam, och är svensk. Jag kommer från Göteborg, och där är det mycket vatten, för det ligger vid havet. Vad gott det är att bo vid havet. Man är ju alltid ren. Det är gott.

Meaning:

Hi. My name is Adam, and I am Swedish. I come from Gothenburg, and there is a lot of water there, because it is by the sea. It is so good to live by the sea. You are always clean. It is good.

Just some random crap, of course. I have not bathed in the sea in several years. Not since I was twelve or something, I think.


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has batshit phonotactics and a phoneme that varies between /d_</ and /l/.

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has ejectives, retroflexes, prenasalized consonants, and five interdentals. It has voicing distinction only in some nasals, fricatives and approximants, but not in plosives.

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^ not that weird, if you group the unvoiced plosives with the voiced fricatives and the aspirated plosives with the voiced fricatives (eh) and group the affricates together with the plosives (pretty standard crosslinguistically)

that first grouping is pretty iffy though, since there are four phonations on plosives but a maximum of two on fricatives, and I wouldn't analyze it like that unless there's evidence from the grammar

it's still weird though, since it's a perfect example of most of the "if there's going to be a bit missing in the series, it's going to be this bit" rules - the most fortis bits are missing in the labials and the most lenis bits are missing in the velars, and there aren't any labial fricatives (although I'd be surprised if /w w_0/ are actually [w w_0] and not [B p\] or something). also, the /s` z` r\` r\`_0/ contrast is fucking insane, and there's that random /n_0/

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Also, some subdialects of Nias Seletan affricate and labiodentalize /t d/ before /u/: /adudu/ [adz_Pudz_Pu]. Labiodentalization there is more common than affrication. Some speakers apparently even have [pf bv] for those /t d/.

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More Nias: /mb/ > /B\/. Also apparently their /u/ is something like [v\=].

distinguishes modal, creaky, and breathy voiced vowels, with a nasalization distinction on top of that. And it's tonal. And it has a length distinction, possibly three-way.
has nonexplosive stops, which correspond to either implosives or labial-velars in other members of its language family. (edit: this is the lang that I was talking about two posts up)
One reported allophone of the sje-sound is a velarized dentolabial (lower teeth and upper lip) fricative.
has a palatal lateral flap.
has an uvular flap for word-initial /?/.
has an uvular flap for /g/ in unstressed syllables.
I probably already posted , but it has a velar lateral flap as an allophone of /L\/.
has contrastive labialization only on labials, velars besides /N/, and the glottal stop, and is thought to have developed nasal vowels through rhinoglottophilia.

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Has been posted? Cause, damn.

I guess it's less weird than very large and pretty well filled out.

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has [z] as an allophone of /j/


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