Yucopia Project (Massive, Collaborative, and Recruiting New)

[Cockroach]

Well, technically the Father Sun and Mother Water aren't gods (they're something higher )

A common ancestral stock could be interesting, though I might have to rethink the migration patterns. Maybe instead of having the Tll-Ikish come from the north, they come from the east, heading NW, with the Chalmeans coming from the same place, but going SW, like this...



I'm not completely sold on it, but it's a definite possibility.

Biwám could also become a thriving mercantile crossroads, where goods and ideas meet, leading to some syncretism. Presumably the Biwám would have little trouble following the gods and faiths of many cultures. This might be a good place for a prophet to found a religion, too.

BTW, what do the Chalmeans think happen to them after they die?

[Torco]

I meant the religion could have a common ancestor. this could happen without any common ethnic ancestry. remember, people interact.

As for what happens after death? it's not so much an issue in Chalmean culture as it is here; they figure they live on somehow, probably watch over their loved ones for a while, and eventually go on to another place, or maybe they reincarnate, or something. there's different sects who posit different things, but overall, people don't care all that much; what happens happens.

Biwám as a cosmopolitan mercantile crossroads? I like.

[Cockroach]

Right. I think I might start writing a draft article of the Biwám on the wiki. Let me know what you like and what you don't and we can make appropriate changes.

I'll go get MSN messenger too.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

There's now a hole in the middle of the map now that Azdusha left...
Maybe the hole could be where the Tll-Ikish used to be, then they were forced to migrate after the Slavasko (my second major group) moved in and took over after they were pushed out of their original location by the Caron.

[Lukas Kelly]

I'm not exactly involved with that, but I like that idea.

[Cockroach]

Hmmmmmm

Well as it stands the Tll-Ikish moved south due to overpopulation, not invasion. Maybe some Tll-Ikish left Azdusha's place, and later the Slavasko wiped out those that stayed. (Are the Slavasko related to the Caron? I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened to the Caron, with a group of them discovering the area and splitting off from the main group to go settle it. That little mediterranean area is a really juicy target after all...)

[Lukas Kelly]

I say we can have Azdusha's people killed off by a cataclysm. That way, we don't have to back track.

[*Ceresz]

Hi, my computer crashed a while back and I've finally gotten it fixed. If it's not too late I'll try to catch up on what you've done, but if I don't manage to do that I might have to abandon this. I'll let you know how it goes.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

Actually, there really isn't much to catch up on, but some are starting a second civilization to fill in the holes. So basically anyone who's started a second civilizations is just about as behind.

A Slavasko invasion could be considered a cataclysm of sorts...

The Slavasko are not related to the Caron, though there could be a breakaway Caron group there, probably on the southern areas, as the Slavasko took over most of the rest... or maybe that island would work.

[*Ceresz]

Oh, I see. Glad to hear that. I'll try to work on solidifying my culture and language then. I have a whole island for my self, so I don't think I'll start a second culture. I'll just sit tight and wait for people to come over to me .

I'll try to fix my wiki page.

[Lukas Kelly]

So, how many people do we have now? 5?

[Lyhoko Leaci]

Somewhere around 7 to 9, I think if we're lucky, with some with two civilizations now.

[Torco]

I say we can have Azdusha's people killed off by a cataclysm. That way, we don't have to back track.

Why? they can remain in that area, doing their thing... we're talking about HUGE areas here... in Azdusha's area there's enough space for a hundred different cultures.

[Lukas Kelly]

I have an idea. It's for a little later(after we finish with our bronze age), but I'm throwing it out there so we can accept/deny/perfect it before we use it, instead of wasting time. About the bronze age is when you began to have single individuals making a large impact on societies in some vein or another. So, my idea is that we each(when we are all done with bronze age) have one civ assigned to us that we read about enough to become pretty familiar with, and we choose what that person does. Whether they are a great writer, a prophet, politician, etc. Doesn't matter as long as the following

1. Civ owner has veto rights if it doesn't fit with the civilization's culture(you can't start a revolution if the people don't want one)
2. You have some kind of thing we can see, such as a historical excerpt, a part of your writings(scraps in the language itself would be great if you are writing literature), or whatever.

[Torco]

So we create historical figures for each other? I LUV it

[Lukas Kelly]

Exactly

[Cockroach]

As long as it's absolutely clear that the man in charge of the civilization in question is in complete control over whether to implement the suggestions or not. Intellectual sovereignty must be maintained.

That said, it is interesting. We could even extend this idea beyond just suggesting people and to suggesting forms of government, societal roles, legends, technology, trade patterns (this especially. anyone who wants to be civilized is going to have to figure out what its civilization has to offer and what it wants in exchange), etc

[Torco]

Intellectual sovereignty must be maintained.

What is it with americans and intellectual property? I for one value less intellectual sovereignty and more collaborative fun!

but yeah, sure, respect. I'm not gonna tell you what your people are like... tho' any such disagreement should, I think, be resolved with schisms: so you're against my historic figure saying that the gods are evil and trying to import the religion of X into your land? no problem, he and his followers flee somewhere and make a small kingdom.

dialectics is fun

Doubly also, TRADE

The Isle of Chalmea has a very high demand for metals, mainly copper and tin. Anyone want to provide it? of course, they also have a healthy supply of cool medicinal plants, poisons, drugs, and spices, in case a civ would have demand for such a thing. Also, there's a demand for women, since they're kind of polyginous.

[Lukas Kelly]

As long as it's absolutely clear that the man in charge of the civilization in question is in complete control over whether to implement the suggestions or not. Intellectual sovereignty must be maintained.

That said, it is interesting. We could even extend this idea beyond just suggesting people and to suggesting forms of government, societal roles, legends, technology, trade patterns (this especially. anyone who wants to be civilized is going to have to figure out what its civilization has to offer and what it wants in exchange), etc

1. I made that the first condition
2. It's more of creating your own person in the civ and doing as you please(within the conditions and limits). But yea, especially once we get to trade, I really like the idea of exchanging ideas.

[Cockroach]

The Isle of Chalmea has a very high demand for metals, mainly copper and tin. Anyone want to provide it? of course, they also have a healthy supply of cool medicinal plants, poisons, drugs, and spices, in case a civ would have demand for such a thing. Also, there's a demand for women, since they're kind of polyginous.

The Tll-Ikish have large copper deposits throughout their territory. Tin is less abundant, but there is still quite enough for export. There is a small amount of precious metals, particularly silver. They also have a population of experience leatherworkers (and of course, the desert tribesmen are always willing to hire themselves off as mercenaries).

The Tll-Ikish are interested in food, particularly fruits, which have trouble growing in the desert (though any type will do). They are also interested in chalk, which they use to brew a skin whitening cosmetic lotion (though certain plants might work just as well ).

OH and SPICES!!! Tll-Ikish LOVE spice!

EDIT: Exchanging ideas huh. My people have developed writing (and a system of magic that is linked to it) if anyone's interested.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

Well, the Caron have wood... lots and lots of wood. (and redwoods!) They also have some gold, but haven't got much else besides plants, they're still stone age.

The Slavasko have yaks and goats and horses, as well as more copper and tin, so they're a better bet for trade. I haven't figured out their culture much, though. They might borrow the Tll-Ikish's writing system, which might also spread to the Qhalqon. (a splintered off Caron group) The Caron will develop their own writing style later on.

[Lukas Kelly]

We've got mainly iron and some advanced-ish mechanical technology but not much variety with food. Also, drugs. They don't yet have writing and they have very simple governments. No real established code of laws either.

[Torco]

@Roach: Well I don't know if it's viable at all to export food, what with square-sail rafts and donkeys as main means of transportation... grain maybe, but fruit no way, it's going to arrive rotten, and me people don't know glass. But there's going to be some enterprising chalmeans exporting spices, and bringing in metalwares: spoons, blades, nails, and stuff. Trade will lead to the Chalmean merchants developing a kind of Tll-Chalmean lingua franca, like a pidgin, which could eventually become the speech of the port of Biwám [yeah, I'm thinking about making Biwám a city-state, how do you feel about that?]

@Lukas: what kind of grains do your people grow? If you have wheat or barley, the wealthy sectors of Chalmea might want them.

[Cockroach]

NP. Sounds good. I feel that the trade should have something more to it than just Metals<--->Spices, I just don't know what. Also good point about the fruit. I really should have known better. Bread is a fairly big part of their diet, but during the early bronze age most of they still. Thus, most settled Tll-Ikish have a small garden growing garlic and peppers and stuff. Something that would make their diet interesting would be much appreciated by them (that's why I thought of fruits: there aren't many in the desert and so it would be exotic and interesting, as would spices)

We really do need to figure out how we're going to develop Biwám though. You seem to be interested in the government so why don't you think up something for that. Regardless I think it would be best if Biwám had something unique to it and was more than just the sum of the Chalmean and Tll-Ikish cultures.

Also, wood is a little rare, and the Tll-Ikish mainly use spare palm and cypress wood, and so they would be VERY much interested in redwood

As to ideas, I've been working on music. Traditional Tll-Ikish music has no real percussion, only several types of flutes and a banjo like instrument.

[Torco]

Don't worry, uniqueness will emerge organically.