The Innovative Usage Thread

[tezcatlip0ca]

Look above, GA plus intrusive R...

[äreo]

Am I the only GA speaker with intrusive R? The word "ninjaing" reminded me of that (/"nIndZ@.IN/, ["nI~ndZM\`=IN], [["nI*~n['d^Zr\+=IN+]]).

Too lazy to post the XcanSAMPA.

I have intrusive R between words sometimes, but not usually within words, though I think I would put an /r/ in 'ninjaing' - in any case, I wouldn't exactly call my speech GA.

[Chargone]

while my speech is Definitely not GA, 'ninjaing' either loses it's a or gains an r when i say it as well. that or gets split into two words. and given that 'ing' is not a word in that situation...

it's really a rather awkward word, to be honest. good thing we don't need to use it out loud very often

[äreo]

Considering this neighborhood, it's probably a non-native, and I'd guess it's just part of an /E e/ merger.

I see such spellings from native speakers a lot throughout the South, in which case it's just lax-tense merging before /l/.

Speaking of /E ei/ fuckery, my mother (raised in Arizona) has a tendency to say /Eb5/ for 'able', at least unstressed.

[Imralu]

The sandwich thing made me remember that I grew up pronouncing <onion> as /ˈʌŋjən/, and "length" and "strength" as /lɪŋθ/ and /strɪŋθ/.

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

Does anyone else say /ˈʌŋjən/? I've normalised my speech to /ˈʌnjən/ now.

[faiuwle]

Does anyone else say /ˈʌŋjən/?

I do, and so did most of the people I grew up around.

(I actually just asked my father to say it for me to verify his pronunciation at least (by spelling it out, not by pronouncing it first and thereby biasing him), and he clearly said [ŋ]; he asked me why, and I explained about the [ŋ]/[n] thing, at which point he denied that he ever said [ŋ].)

[Shrdlu]

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

How else would you pronounce it so you won't say that you are "sining"?

[Astraios]

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

How else would you pronounce it so you won't say that you are "sining"?

Fail.

[finlay]

The sandwich thing made me remember that I grew up pronouncing <onion> as /ˈʌŋjən/, and "length" and "strength" as /lɪŋθ/ and /strɪŋθ/.

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

Does anyone else say /ˈʌŋjən/? I've normalised my speech to /ˈʌnjən/ now.

Well... it's often like [ʌɲjən], is it not? So maybe it's just 50-50 whether it's considered /ŋ/ or /n/?

[Shrdlu]

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

How else would you pronounce it so you won't say that you are "sining"?

Fail.

.... because I have absolutely no idea, I've always said /siːŋiːŋ/. and so does everyone else I ever met.

[jmcd]

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

How else would you pronounce it so you won't say that you are "sining"?

Fail.

.... because I have absolutely no idea, I've always said /siːŋiːŋ/. and so does everyone else I ever met.

Well now you know it's normally /sɪŋɪŋ/.

[linguoboy]

My older brother pronounces <ing> as /iːŋ/, so "singing" is /siːŋiːŋ/. It's barely noticeable.

How else would you pronounce it so you won't say that you are "sining"?

Fail.

.... because I have absolutely no idea, I've always said /siːŋiːŋ/. and so does everyone else I ever met.

In GA and RP, both vowels would be short and lax, i.e. /sɪŋɪŋ/. I can't tell if you're just having trouble reading the transcription or you're actually claiming that Swedes say "seengeeng".

[Astraios]

What they said, and also because "sining" would be pronounced the same as "signing", which has a different vowel and a different consonant so changing your /i:/ in "singing" would not give you "sining" /saIni:N/.

[Shrdlu]

Ah, fjuck. Missunderstanding. I thought there was some other way to pronounce "singing" that I have never heard of before.

but most swedes would probably say "singng" as "seengeeng".with a fake American accent, because everything "Amuurican" is cool and gives them status. They ofcource don't know crap about phonology(probably dosen't even know that it is an existing word) and dosen't care because it is cool to not care, and as long as the other one understands, it is okay. Yes it is horrible.

[Yng]

Ah, fjuck.

in English we say 'fuck'

[Shrdlu]

Ah, fjuck.

in English we say 'fuck'

And how do you say it in the language of the birds?

[Astraios]

Still "fuck".

[Shrdlu]

I ment what they are saying, not thinking.

[Astraios]

I ment what they are saying, not thinking.

And I told you what they say.

[Umega]

Ah, fjuck. Missunderstanding. I thought there was some other way to pronounce "singing" that I have never heard of before.

but most swedes would probably say "singng" as "seengeeng".with a fake American accent, because everything "Amuurican" is cool and gives them status. They ofcource don't know crap about phonology(probably dosen't even know that it is an existing word) and dosen't care because it is cool to not care, and as long as the other one understands, it is okay. Yes it is horrible.

wow it's like people using spanish pronounciations here

[Jetboy]

Does anyone else say /ˈʌŋjən/? I've normalised my speech to /ˈʌnjən/ now.

I definitely do, most of the time, and so do most people I know. The nasal may be coronal or palatal in fast speech, but my conception of the word is definitely with /ŋ/; other nasals actually end up sounding slightly slang-ish, probably by analogy with -<ing>.

[faiuwle]

Well... it's often like [ʌɲjən], is it not? So maybe it's just 50-50 whether it's considered /ŋ/ or /n/?

Well, at least in my case, it is definitely velar, and IME I'm more likely to hear [ɲ] as /n/ or /nj/, especially when followed by [j].

[Shrdlu]

I was using a deodorant bottle to massage my back, when I said to my self that
"Jag måste se upp så att jag inte deo:ar in mig." Certainly a strange word to say.

Translation: I must watch out so that I don't deodorant myself.(I must see upp so that I not deodorant in me.)

[äreo]

I´ve noticed that in American colloquial usage, ´awkward´ seems to have completely lost its physical sense (I once referred to the position of a chair as awkward, and a friend was confused) and now simply refers to weird or funny situations, even in contexts where I wouldn´t quite want to use it myself, e.g. (in my friend´s words) ¨the awkward moment while showering you realize you just washed your hair with your liquid soap instead of the shampoo¨.

[hwhatting]

I´ve noticed that in American colloquial usage, ´awkward´ seems to have completely lost its physical sense (I once referred to the position of a chair as awkward, and a friend was confused) and now simply refers to weird or funny situations, even in contexts where I wouldn´t quite want to use it myself, e.g. (in my friend´s words) ¨the awkward moment while showering you realize you just washed your hair with your liquid soap instead of the shampoo¨.

To be honest, the usage in the shower case seems entirely normal to me, while the physical usage would startle me as unusual. But I'm only L2, so that doesn't probably mean anything. (I've started reading and communicating in English regularly about 30 years ago and I'd say 95% of the uses of "awkward" I've encountered were in the non-physical sense, including literary texts.)