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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:10 am 
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Yeah, it kinda does. I think Salishan is the only language family that allows words without sonorants, but I could be wrong


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No, there are others, but the only ones I can think of have epenthetic vowels.

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I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
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The wikipedia article refers to a certain Nader from 1984. It can either mean "he had had a bunchberry plant", or "Abandon all hope, ye who try to learn this language".

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:28 am 
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I read a little about , and couldn't understand a thing. Does this language have as complicated grammar as it seems? But I don't know anything about its phonology though.

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Described by whom? Listen to it yourself—recordings aren't very hard to find. It sounds very interesting, kind of it's being played backwards. Certainly there are quite a few clusters, and words every now and then that are just consonants, but it's not the tongue-torturer people seem to think it is (or the wikipedia article might make it out to be).

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That is now my favorite sentence ever created by the hands of man.

te-wati-ʔtǫhts-ahs dĕ yu-hšatę-ʔ.
 
irr-nonmasc.pl.agt-hatch-hab art fem.indef.sg.pat-ride-stat
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:18 pm 
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+1 for English. Or at least the western Germanic languages.

1. Northwestern European languages are weird: perfect tense with "have", inverting word order to form polar questions, relative pronouns.
http://www.reference-global.com/doi/abs ... 219098.411
http://web.mac.com/cysouw/publications/ ... FS2005.pdf

2. Weird phonology: voiced dental fricative, alveolar approximant. English is a stress-timed language with unpredictable lexical stress and secondary stress. This seems to be a pretty unusual way of doing things.

3. The orthography is a nightmare. It's not more complex than Japanese, and Tibetan seems to also be bad to judge from romanizations, but really.

EDIT
And there's all kinds of weird stuff in various English dialects, too.


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No mention of Lithuanian?

I'd definitely vote Lithuanian, especially for non-IE speakers. Stress has to be learned word by word and the morphology is insane. There are 16 participle forms for every verb which are further conjugated into gender, number, and six cases. Not to mention that the language has an active vocative and a headache of consonant changes resulting from palatalisation.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:54 pm 
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Yeah I wasn't counting Chinese or Japanese because it's not just a matter of difficulty but one of phoneme/grapheme correspondence. But I didn't really make that clear. Basically, I mean if you do with the vast majority of orthographies, you'll get a better than 85%. I was thinking myself of French and Gaelic as competitors. But Swedish isn't too bad AFAICT. They don't have a schwa phoneme, which causes a sgnificant amount of confusion in English. And where schwa appears allophonically, it appears to be basically predictable.


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Burmese, Thai and Tibetan still stand. :wink:

There are also some others from the region, although I think Lao recently-ish had a spelling reform and I'm not sure about Khmer. There must be some Indian languages with relatively wacky scripts. I mean, it's difficult to tell with all of them strictly speaking since they've all got different structures. I think what does it for Burmese, Thai and Tibetan is the fact that they have had the script for 1000 years without changing it much and they're tonal, and the marking of tone is rarely ever simple.

I mean I think Thai is regular, but it's far more complex than English, which I guess is a different question. It seems to have multiple ways of spelling the same consonants all the time, but sometimes they differ on what tone adjacent vowels will adopt. But even then there are multiple ways of spelling some consonants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_alphabet - here you have multiple letters for quite a lot of consonants and at least half the vowels, and even more of them merge together for the coda (which I guess must be morphophonemic – Korean does this too incidentally). I think Lao is tonal, which would explain it... except WP hasn't explained that. Thai is a lot more complicated than this.


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You know what, fuck it, I'm too lazy to count :). Let's scrap the 50th vote thing.

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