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Isma?n question

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Meli d?ne, Zomp. I have a good question about Isma?n. The history of its sound changes would seem that the language's phonetical boundaries (rather, morphological boundaries) would collide; that is, certain factors of a word (like the voiceness or fricativeness of a final consonant, the pronounciation of a final, unstressed vowel) would be more based on enviromental factors, which is a bit like Russian, French, or (to a greater extent) Catalan. Does Isma?n take that into account?

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I'm not following... can you give an example of these collisions?

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Dunno about Isma?n, but like French dix [dis], [di], etc.

Another question: Where did you come up with (or rather, they come up with) the letter for ??
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zompist wrote:I'm not following... can you give an example of these collisions?
Okay, I know I'm not too concise. I'm not sure what to call the phenomenon of voicing final consonants if the following word begins with a vowel, but I also refer to liason, and also atonic particles--such as pronouns, articles, certain adverbs, which lack stress of their own and become part of a stressed word (similar to the polisynthetic phenomena found in French).

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Drydic_guy wrote:DAnother question: Where did you come up with (or rather, they come up with) the letter for ??
It's a variation on c (and in fact ? developed historically out of certain c's).

(Staring at the phonology just now, I realized that the j character is rather unmotivated: it's related to the Verdurian :ch which however doesn't exist in Isma?n. Hopefully it will make more sense when more is known about Old Isma?n/Old Verdurian...

Nikolai, I have to admit that I haven't thought much about cliticization or liaison in Isma?n. Could be very interesting to work out, though.

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Considering Isma?n phonological development, indeed, it would be very interesting to see liaison/cliticization/elision (that's another I couldn't find the word for) in Isma?n. It would just seem something befitting of the language (not really because of the Frenchy feel, but rather, the phonological evolution and syllable downsizing)

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OK, looking back at the Isma?n page, I meant the letter for s.
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Ah! It's the letter shen without one of the curving arcs. (More precisely, it is the letter shen-- that is, that's the Isma?n way of writing it. Of course they want to print it that way as well, so (say) Verdurian scholars treat it as a new (foreign) letter separate from shen.)

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