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Eww, /ɑrɪndʒ/. Ewwww. Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

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Some nonrhotic people pronounce Saturn as [s{t.n=], the same as "satin". For some reason that always bothered me, perhaps because other words with -tern at the end didnt get pronounced like that.


Orange is monosyllabic [oIndZ] in some American dialects, perhaps the same ones that say [poIm] for poem.
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Soap wrote:Orange is monosyllabic [oIndZ] in some American dialects, perhaps the same ones that say [poIm] for poem.
... and [boɪd] for <bird>?

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Soap wrote:Orange is monosyllabic [oIndZ] in some American dialects.
I say [ɔɻnd͡ʒ]. Similarly I have [ɔɻd͡ʒɪn] for origin.

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Soap wrote:Orange is monosyllabic [oIndZ] in some American dialects, perhaps the same ones that say [poIm] for poem.
Funny you should say that, because my mom pronounces it like that. She doesn't mispronounce 'poem', though she does pronounce 'oil' as 'oral'.
It's pretty funny actually. "give me some oil" comes out as "give me some oral"
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Ok, this is going to be weird.

Mary/marry/merry: Marry is something like [E] slightly tending toward [6]. Mary and merry, on the other hand, are about a third of the way between front and near front: merry is closer to mid than open-mid, and Mary is purely a mid vowel. However, most other words with <arV> have the marry vowel.

Oral/aural/moral: Oral and a few other <orV> words have a mid ultraback [o_o_-]. Other <orV> and <orrV> words have a slightly opener [O_r_-], about a third of the way between mid and open-mid. Aural and all <aur> words have a pharyngealized uvular vowel between open-mid and near-open.

Sirius/serious: Sirius and other <irV> and <irr> have something closer to than to [@\], but along the diagonal line, whereas serious and <e(V)rV> words have a diphthong along the same line, starting from a point slightly above and to the left of , and ending with the [I~@\] vowel just described.

Fiery/flowery: Triphthong and diphthong, both starting from central [a_"]. Fiery passes through a vowel halfway between [e] and [@] on its way to a slightly backed [3_-], and flowery ends at the oral vowel.

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Pretty much anything in English with dark l and /r/ in the same word sounds all gross in my dialect, since my coda /l/ is a pretty thick pharyngeal approximant, and my /r/ is a rounded really far back something.

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Theta wrote:Pretty much anything in English with dark l and /r/ in the same word sounds all gross in my dialect, since my coda /l/ is a pretty thick pharyngeal approximant, and my /r/ is a rounded really far back something.
THAT'S ONE PURDY SQWRL.
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Theta wrote:Pretty much anything in English with dark l and /r/ in the same word sounds all gross in my dialect, since my coda /l/ is a pretty thick pharyngeal approximant, and my /r/ is a rounded really far back something.
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Skomakar'n wrote:
Theta wrote:Pretty much anything in English with dark l and /r/ in the same word sounds all gross in my dialect, since my coda /l/ is a pretty thick pharyngeal approximant, and my /r/ is a rounded really far back something.
THAT'S ONE PURDY SQWRL.
lol I've maybe heard one or two people who talk like that in my entire life, even around here (I live in the Southeastern US, Western Georgia to be specific). Not even my dad says purty, and he says [kʰɛɪnʔ] for <can't>.

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There are people who don't pronounce it purdy sqwrl? God I'm sheltered.
IMD we don't differentiate between pin and pen either.

Appalachia, that is.
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yes, i actually pronounce it pritty squirrel. like /prɪti skwɪrəl/

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Oh, well. 'squirrel' is an ugly word in any variety of English.
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[skwɪɻu]

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Take esquirol [əski'ɾɔɫ], then.
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It's ugly in French too. "Ecureuil"

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/scalisti/languages.html < words for squirrel in 300 languages!
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[skʷɪʊ]

There's a glide of some sort in between the vowels, but I can't figure it out. And yes, it's definitely not got a [w] in it.

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Wow, I totally thought for the longest time that squirrel was just one of those funny-sounding words with lots of /kw/'s (or maybe /w/'s...) we got from Native Americans, but I guess not! etymonline says it comes ultimately from Greek (via Latin via French) skiouros...and that explains why all the Romance languages have cognates of squirrel, while in German the term is Eichhörnchen (broadly [ɑeçhøɐnçɛn] or something...not so great with German phonetics and such...)

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The Welsh term, gwiwer sounds as cute as squirrels look.
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squirrel: [skʷɔˤːʕ̩]. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

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Okay. [skw_-R`_o_O?\L\)] or thereabouts. I can't really type it in IPA or X-SAMPA, but I can describe.it.

The squ- onset is unsurprising, except for the preuvular w (between postvelar and uvular), which for account of being next to a rounded "vowel", is also over-rounded and a bit labially fricated.
The -irrel rime, however, is a postalveolopharyngealized uvular slightly fricated and moderately rounded approximant blending into a retracted pharyngeal barely rounded approximant coarticulated with a weak alveolarized postvelar lateral.
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Dewrad wrote:The Welsh term, gwiwer sounds as cute as squirrels look.
Not if you have that stupid /ɛ/-/a/ merger that you crazy northwesterners have; then it just sounds sordid.
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Aiďos wrote:Okay. [skw_-R`_o_O?\L\)] or thereabouts. I can't really type it in IPA or X-SAMPA, but I can describe.it.

The squ- onset is unsurprising, except for the preuvular w (between postvelar and uvular), which for account of being next to a rounded "vowel", is also over-rounded and a bit labially fricated.
The -irrel rime, however, is a postalveolopharyngealized uvular slightly fricated and moderately rounded approximant blending into a retracted pharyngeal barely rounded approximant coarticulated with a weak alveolarized postvelar lateral.
every time? :roll: the point of being less specific is that people aren't generally that consistent in how they pronounce things.

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Not to mention English (and probably other languages) has extremely variable pronunciation of words depending on the words that are next to them, where they are in the sentence, and so many other factors. This gets pretty terrible with really common words like prepositions and other particles, one word can have like 5 distinct pronunciations that are all easily understood by other people.

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finlay wrote:
Aiďos wrote:Okay. [skw_-R`_o_O?\L\)] or thereabouts. I can't really type it in IPA or X-SAMPA, but I can describe.it.

The squ- onset is unsurprising, except for the preuvular w (between postvelar and uvular), which for account of being next to a rounded "vowel", is also over-rounded and a bit labially fricated.
The -irrel rime, however, is a postalveolopharyngealized uvular slightly fricated and moderately rounded approximant blending into a retracted pharyngeal barely rounded approximant coarticulated with a weak alveolarized postvelar lateral.
every time? :roll: the point of being less specific is that people aren't generally that consistent in how they pronounce things.
Well, every time, except next to a vowel "squirrelling" or a coronal consonant "squirrelled", where rime totally changes.
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