Post your conlang's phonology

[Izambri]

O_O I didn't expect that one. I mean it's not that hard to pronounce. If I'm not wrong, it'd merge with the equivalent of Spanish pender, "to hang", as in "su vida pende de un hilo", if it exists.

Well, it's not hard, but talking fast (as we usually do in everyday speech) the first r falls [1], so many persons pronounce ['pɛndɾə], even when pronouncing carefully the word.

[1] Otherwise, the second r would be the disappearing consonant, I guess, so we would have prendre ['pɾɛndə], which is really weird. XD But one or the other r must fall.

[Thry]

Well, it's not hard, but talking fast (as we usually do in everyday speech) the first r falls [1], so many persons pronounce ['pɛndɾə], even when pronouncing carefully the word.

[1] Otherwise, the second r would be the disappearing consonant, I guess, so we would have prendre ['pɾɛndə], which is really weird. XD But one or the other r must fall.

You must prendre either one or the other r .

[Izambri]

Well, it's not hard, but talking fast (as we usually do in everyday speech) the first r falls [1], so many persons pronounce ['pɛndɾə], even when pronouncing carefully the word.

[1] Otherwise, the second r would be the disappearing consonant, I guess, so we would have prendre ['pɾɛndə], which is really weird. XD But one or the other r must fall.

You must prendre either one or the other r .

Ei, ben trobat! That's the point.

[finlay]

many persons

a lot of people

people people people people people people people people people people people people people people

(the fact that English does have a word "persons" doesn't help, but it's not the regular plural of person)

[Thry]

many persons

a lot of people

What's wrong with "many people"?

[Bristel]

many persons

a lot of people

What's wrong with "many people"?

Nothing. This is correct as well.

[finlay]

many persons

a lot of people

What's wrong with "many people"?

I.... don't really know, but whenever my spanish students use it it sounds wrong. Maybe it's just your accents

also 'so many' is a potential garden path

also 'pronouncing carefully the word' should be 'pronouncing the word carefully'

[Izambri]

Finlay, you told me that about persons/people once. Not necessary to repeat it every time you see a wrong use. XD

[finlay]

sorry, it's just a pet hate. :p

[Izambri]

Dolberdican

Consonants

Nasals
ff n gg /ɱ n ŋ/

Oclusives
p b t d k /p b t d k/
c /c/

Fricatives
f v s z ç h /f v s z ç h/
b [β]

Approximants
v [ʋ]
hu /w/ - [ʍ ɥ]

Laterals
l /ɬ/

Affricates
tl ds ph bh dr tr cç /tɬ dz pɸ bβ d_r t_r cç/

Prenasalized
mt md mg np nb nd /mt md mg np nb mt/

Postnasalized
sn zn cn rn /sⁿ cⁿ cⁿ rⁿ/

Preaspirated
hg hf hs hl /ʰg ʰf ʰs ʰɧ/

Coarticulated (double articulations)
mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd /mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd/

Coarticulated (secondary articulations)
pm tm fm sm /pm tm fm sm/
pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr /pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr/
cm cf cs cl /cm cf cs cl/
sb sg sc /sb sg sc/
rb rg rf /rb sg rf/

Vowels

i y u /i y u/
ï ÿ ü [ɪ ʏ ʊ]
o /o/
ä ö /ʌ/ [ɔ]

[sucaeyl]

p pʰ pʼ ʈ ʈʰ ʈʼ c cʰ cʼ k kʰ kʼ q qʰ ʔ
b bʱ ɓ ɖ ɖʱ ᶑ ɟ ɟʱ ʄ g gʱ ɠ
m mʱ n nʱ ɲ ɲʱ ŋ ŋʱ
f fʼ θ θʼ ʂ ʂʰ ɕ̟ ɕ̟ʼ x xʼ ħ h
v vʱ ð ðʱ ʐ ʐʱ ʑ̟ ʑ̟ʱ ɣ ɣʱ
w ɻ j ʟ ʕ
pʂ pʂʰ tθ tθʼ ʈʂ ʈʂʰ t̻ɕ̟ t̻ɕ̟ʼ kʂ kʂʰ
u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ

[Bob Johnson]

q qʰ
bʱ ɓ
θʼ
ɻ
tθ tθʼ
u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ

... are you aiming for a cross between Hindi and something Athabaskan? Because you may have succeeded.

[sucaeyl]

q qʰ
bʱ ɓ
θʼ
ɻ
tθ tθʼ
u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ

... are you aiming for a cross between Hindi and something Athabaskan? Because you may have succeeded.

More specifically Tlingit and Oriya– you're pretty much spot on.

[Kvan]

q qʰ
bʱ ɓ
θʼ
ɻ
tθ tθʼ
u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ

... are you aiming for a cross between Hindi and something Athabaskan? Because you may have succeeded.

More specifically Tlingit and Oriya– you're pretty much spot on.

u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ is such a cool vowel system!

Right now in the C&C Quickies section there's a collaboration going 'tween äreo, Ouagadougou and I which I think has a purposefully odd but not over-the-top on phonemes:


Plosives /ʈʰ, qʰ, ʰʈ, ʰq/
Implosives/ɓ, ᶑ/
Ejectives /ʈ', q', ts', tɬ'/
Fricatives /s, ɬ, χ/
Liquids /ɻ/
Nasals /m, ɳ/

Vowels /ɨ, ʉ, ɘ, ɵ, ɜ, ɞ, a, ɶ/

We may add a linguolabial series to the plosives.

[Bristel]

Right now in the C&C Quickies section there's a collaboration going 'tween äreo, Ouagadougou and I which I think has a purposefully odd but not over-the-top on phonemes:

I think my contribution of /tɬʼ/ means I am a collaborator too.

More specifically Tlingit and Oriya– you're pretty much spot on.

Those are two interesting languages that I'd love to see blended together. Keep working on it!

[sucaeyl]

u ɝ i ʊˠ ɑ is such a cool vowel system!

Thanks. I'd have to agree.

More specifically Tlingit and Oriya– you're pretty much spot on.

Those are two interesting languages that I'd love to see blended together. Keep working on it!

Yeah, I think it should come out interestingly. I'll post more once I've figured out grammar.

[Nortaneous]

tentative Kien inventory/orthography:

/p t t͡s t͡ʃ k/ <p t c ç k> in high-toned syllables, <b d j ḑ g> in low-toned syllables
/f v ð s z ʃ x ɣ/ <f v * s z ş h *>
/m n ŋ p͡m t͡n k͡ŋ/ <m n ng pm/bm tn/dn kn/gn>
/j ɥ w/ <i y u>
/a e ø o i y u/ <a e ơ o i y u> (all vowels can be long, indicated by doubling the vowel, nasal, indicated by a following <n>, or both)

tones: high, mid, low, high rising, low rising, high falling, low falling: <é e è ẽ ě ê ẻ>

* /ð/ before a front vowel is written <đ>, as is /ɣ/ before a back vowel; the two are in complementary distribution in native vocabulary. When /ð/ appears before a back vowel, it is written <đh>. /ɣ/ cannot appear before front vowels.

example words:

*kambéccera knéşìì [k͡ŋéʃìː]
*tweccáre çuaai [t͡ʃwāːj]
*láncakkom đanàn [ɣānã̀]
*sérhes sóói [sóːj]
*cerráison kiêin [kjẽ˥˧j] (had to switch tone marking systems in the transcription there...)

syllable structure looks like it's going to be C(G)VC, but i'm not sure how limited the last C is. there might be a marginal (contrastive, but only appearing word-initially before glides) glottal stop; i don't know if the sound changes will play out that way yet, but if they don't, i'll probably make them.

[Nortaneous]

And here's the Proto-Arve-Gadaye inventory: (hellooooo Marshallese)

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consonants:
m mˠ n ɲ ŋ          <m m̧ n ņ g>
p pˠ t c k ʔ        <p b t j k '>
ɸ ɸˠ s ʃ x h        <v w s ş h>
     ɬ ɬʲ           <l ļ>
       j            <y>

vowels:
i ɯ    iə ɯə uə     <i u>   <ie ue ü>
e   o  ei əɯ ou     <ee oo>   <ei au ou>
  a                 <a>
  
ɪ̆ ʊ̆ <e o>

+ long vowels

Might add /tˠ/ so I can develop a rhotic later on.

[Skomakar'n]

And here's the Proto-Arve-Gadaye inventory: (hellooooo Marshallese)

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consonants:
m mˠ n ɲ ŋ          <m m̧ n ņ g>
p pˠ t c k ʔ        <p b t j k '>
ɸ ɸˠ s ʃ x h        <v w s ş h>
     ɬ ɬʲ           <l ļ>
       j            <y>

vowels:
i ɯ    iə ɯə uə     <i u>   <ie ue ü>
e   o  ei əɯ ou     <ee oo>   <ei au ou>
  a                 <a>
  
ɪ̆ ʊ̆ <e o>

+ long vowels

Might add /tˠ/ so I can develop a rhotic later on.

Is this my fault?

[Nortaneous]

...er, how would it be? it's a pretty generic micronesian lang, except with extrashort vowels.

[finlay]

Sko posted a screenshot of Marshallese from Wikipedia the other day... to me it seems overanalysed, because for instance, a word <aaet> was described as something like [ʕɑæɛeɤt] – as if it's important to cover every point that the tongue passes over during its journey. Most languages probably do something similar to some extent, it's just that we generally only mark the nucleus and not the transition in the IPA.

[Nortaneous]

Sko posted a screenshot of Marshallese from Wikipedia the other day...

Oh, right. I'd been planning to do a Micronesian lang for a while anyway, so.

to me it seems overanalysed, because for instance, a word <aaet> was described as something like [ʕɑæɛeɤt] – as if it's important to cover every point that the tongue passes over during its journey. Most languages probably do something similar to some extent, it's just that we generally only mark the nucleus and not the transition in the IPA.

It is an elegant analysis, but one far too low-level for normal use. Notice how they had to throw in consonants that do nothing but color the vowel, and allow them to cluster freely with other consonants, to get the vertical vowel system to stick.

[Qwynegold]

d_r t_r/

Raised plosives?

/mt md mg np nb mt/

Non-homorganic prenasals?

/ʰɧ/

Wut??

Coarticulated (double articulations)
mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd /mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd/

Coarticulated (secondary articulations)
pm tm fm sm /pm tm fm sm/
pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr /pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr/
cm cf cs cl /cm cf cs cl/
sb sg sc /sb sg sc/
rb rg rf /rb sg rf/

Does this language actually have any consonant clusters?

[Izambri]

d_r t_r/

Raised plosives?

Trilled affricates: [dʳ] and [tʳ] respectively. I forgot to write them correctly.

/mt md mg np nb mt/

Non-homorganic prenasals?

Oh, first of all, typo. It should be mt md mg np nb nd /mt md mg np nb nd/ (so the last one is /nd/, not /mt/). They come from m+(t, d, g) and n+(p, b, d).

On the other hand, you can read that as /nt nd ŋg mp mb nd/ if you wish. At least is true for Modern Dolberdican.

/ʰɧ/

Wut??

The evolution of ll /ɬ:/, which gave hl /hɬ/ or /ʰɬ/, causing, in Modern Dolb. > /ʰɧ/ > /ɧ/ (with lengthening of the previous vowel). The penultimate step, /ʰɧ/, is more a convention than a real pronounciation, the superscript <h> marking that tendency to lengthen the previous vowel.

källi [kʌɬ:i] » kähli [kʌhɬi] or [kʌʰɬi] » kähli [kʌ:ɧi].

Coarticulated (double articulations)
mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd /mn pb pt pd bk tb tc db cd gd/

Coarticulated (secondary articulations)
pm tm fm sm /pm tm fm sm/
pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr /pr br kr cr fr sr zr lr/
cm cf cs cl /cm cf cs cl/
sb sg sc /sb sg sc/
rb rg rf /rb sg rf/

Does this language actually have any consonant clusters?

Both coarticulated are only found in prenuclear positions. Double articulations only at the beginning of a word, while secondary articulations at the beginning and the middle of a word.

[Bob Johnson]

[ɧ]

You sure about that?