Well yes. Having [ə] for everything and maybe occasionally is way easier (hence less annoying) than pronouncing everything as long and whiny as Americans.
Jipí wrote:Actually I find it easier to converge towards a GenAm accent than to a British one, as a German speaker.
Because whenever you try to speak British you overenunciate everything and then get laughed at, while in American overenunciating is normal?
Eandil wrote:Sorry buuut American > British English.
Nope, only for singing. Singing sounds bad in British accents.
a) I don't have a TV, and in my demographic I'm by far not alone in that.
b) Most of the movies shown here are American, true, but they're inevitably dubbed for theaters and TV (DVDs let you choose, thank God)
c) We get both CNN (Int'l) and BBC (World) on cable and satellite here.
Well yes. Having [ə] for everything and maybe occasionally [ i] is way easier (hence less annoying) than pronouncing everything as long and whiny as Americans.
I personally don't bother and analyze all sorts of english as having a vertical vowel system that distinguishes roundness and is filled with dipthongs
/ 1, ju, @_r\, @_r\: /
it also forbids pure vowels, all of them having to go inside a dipthong or tripthong.
And you think brits don't drag vowels annoyingly? I have two words for you
Nah, if you pronounce it like [A] you sound American. It's like shibboleth number 1 to tell the difference between the accents. I have something higher like [O] anyway. Don't be surprised if it doesn't sound like cardinal [Q], because the cardinals and secondary cardinals don't really come up in real languages.
No, it sounds American if you pronounce it like [ʷɑ::ˁ::]. It's definitely at least unrounded for me, maybe [ɑ~ʌ]. I have a more [ɒ~ɔ]-ish thing in /əʊ(ɫ)/.
Nortaneous wrote:Wait, they are? I saw the last Harry Potter movie when I was in Bremen and they didn't even subtitle it.
I suppose that was probably a small(er) theater then, rather than a big-chain one? In that case, theaters may sometimes show movies in their original language, too.
Well yes. Having [ə] for everything and maybe occasionally is way easier (hence less annoying) than pronouncing everything as long and whiny as Americans.
You might say that but you could also say that it's easier to be an alcoholic than to not drink.
Torco wrote:nah, I mean the way posh birds speak. nasal and whiny.
Oh, I see... I can't think of what you mean though. Show me an example.
google 'katie k' WARNING: she's a porn star and most of her videos, might hurt your sensibilities. also, sorry for nor providing link, I'm at work]. she's the first thing pops into my mind when I think of whiny nasal brit girl speech, can't think of any other example right now; sort of like the valspeak of california, but british.
Astraios wrote:No, it sounds American if you pronounce it like [ʷɑ::ˁ::]. It's definitely at least unrounded for me, maybe [ɑ~ʌ]. I have a more [ɒ~ɔ]-ish thing in /əʊ(ɫ)/.
Having it unrounded is atypical for Great Britain, at the very least. But you're from some weird place in the north of England, so I dunno. I'm guessing it's a regional feature.
Torco wrote:google 'katie k' WARNING: she's a porn star and most of her videos, might hurt your sensibilities. also, sorry for nor providing link, I'm at work]. she's the first thing pops into my mind when I think of whiny nasal brit girl speech, can't think of any other example right now; sort of like the valspeak of california, but british.
Oh, fail. She's not posh at all. And double fail if you think that the voice of a porn star in her videos when she's being all "gigglegiggle I'm being naughty teehee I'm such a bad little girl squeesquee" is how anybody talks in real life. xD
finlay wrote:Having it unrounded is atypical for Great Britain, at the very least. But you're from some weird place in the north of England, so I dunno. I'm guessing it's a regional feature.
Probably.
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Torco wrote:google 'katie k' WARNING: she's a porn star and most of her videos, might hurt your sensibilities. also, sorry for nor providing link, I'm at work]. she's the first thing pops into my mind when I think of whiny nasal brit girl speech, can't think of any other example right now; sort of like the valspeak of california, but british.
Oh, fail. She's not posh at all. And double fail if you think that the voice of a porn star in her videos when she's being all "gigglegiggle I'm being naughty teehee I'm such a bad little girl squeesquee" is how anybody talks in real life. xD
not posh? really? oh, well.
lol squeesquee [you do realize I tricked you into watching straight porn, tho, don't you]
Torco wrote:not posh? really? oh, well.
lol squeesquee [you do realize I tricked you into watching straight porn, tho, don't you]
She's from the North somewhere, and most likely from pretty near where I grew up, because that's how a lot of people from there talk. You do realize a) I'm not scared or freaked out by women, b) I didn't watch a porny bit, only a talky into, and c) I watch straight porn sometimes if there's a hot guy or six in it, tho, don't you.
Torco wrote:not posh? really? oh, well.
lol squeesquee [you do realize I tricked you into watching straight porn, tho, don't you]
She's from the North somewhere, and most likely from pretty near where I grew up, because that's how a lot of people from there talk. You do realize a) I'm not scared or freaked out by women, b) I didn't watch a porny bit, only a talky into, and c) I watch straight porn sometimes if there's a hot guy or six in it, tho, don't you.
Oh, so that's why you don't find her speech annoyingly nasal, you probably speak like that as well =P You're not? damnit. sure I watch straight porn sometimes, for the most part irrespective of there being hot guys in it, though I'm kind of more into tribbing right now.
Torco wrote:Oh, so that's why you don't find her speech annoyingly nasal, you probably speak like that as well =P You're not? damnit. sure I watch straight porn sometimes, for the most part irrespective of there being hot guys in it, though I'm kind of more into tribbing right now.
Nope, sorry, wrong again. :p What, you are scared and freaked out by men? Pfft, and I thought you were manly.
Torco wrote:Oh, so that's why you don't find her speech annoyingly nasal, you probably speak like that as well =P You're not? damnit. sure I watch straight porn sometimes, for the most part irrespective of there being hot guys in it, though I'm kind of more into tribbing right now.
Nope, sorry, wrong again. :p What, you are scared and freaked out by men? Pfft, and I thought you were manly.
recording or it didn't happen. I'm not scared and freaked out by men... I *am* a man, being freaked out by men would be scary and freaky. however, I enjoy porn with and without men more or less equally... if you define men as biologically male. I do think, however, that dudes act or are directed horribly in porn, though, and haven't got the cultural and/or psychological freedom to express themselves corporally that chicks have. the good porn chicks wiggle, move around, breathe, talk, tease, they transmit a lot through their bodies. dudes, on the other hand, tend to just stand there, looking stupid and doing like 'huf, huf, huf, huf, oh fuck, oh yea, oh fuck' and waiting for the 'money shot'. Even gay porn, as far as I've watched it, has dudes being extremely less expressive than their boobed counterparts... hell, even most tgirls are not particularly expressive. I wonder if it's genetic.
