The "How do You Pronounce X" Thread

[AnTeallach]

your [joə]

Just a random question, that I did not think of asking before - do you distinguish NORTH and FORCE, and if you do, I presume you are merging Early Modern English /uːr/ with FORCE?

Yes to both, so "your" is the same as "yore", etc.

[Travis B.]

Here's a question:

Do you contrast the pronunciation of GUI (not as gee-you-aye) and gooey?

I don't think I do.

Nope, both are /ˈɡui/ > [ˈɡ̊uː(w)i(ː)] to me.

[Bob Johnson]

Do you contrast the pronunciation of GUI (not as gee-you-aye) and gooey?

not really; i think the difference is sentence stress only

[Whimemsz]

How do you pronounce the following:

I have [(j)ɚ] as the nucleus in: sure (no [j]), cure, pure, curious, bureau, mural -- though with cure and pure, depending on how fast I'm speaking and on intonational stuff, [jʉɚ] is also possible/acceptable (in the case of "cure", only possible when it's used as a noun, the verb always has [jɚ]).

I have [ʉɚ] in tour and [ʉwɚ] in lure (I'm fairly sure these two don't actually rhyme for me: one syllable for "tour" [tʰʉɚ] and two syllables for "lure" [ɫʉ.wɚ]).

Poor, moor, and your have [oɚ].

I never use or say "boor" so I don't know how I'd pronounce it.

[Nortaneous]

dulcimer
thirteen
multiply
cider
hall

[Melteor]

Native speakers of English:
What allophone do you have for /I/ if you try to pronounce it in an open syllable? Is it [e@] or a raised @?

[Nortaneous]

examples?

it's not that hard to pronounce checked vowels in open syllables imo

[Melteor]

examples?

it's not that hard to pronounce checked vowels in open syllables imo

Really? I don't have any and I dont really trust my ears. A lot of things sound similar to me, and I'm not really sure I'm not gliding them. Eh well...

[Travis B.]

Native speakers of English:
What allophone do you have for /I/ if you try to pronounce it in an open syllable? Is it [e@] or a raised @?

For the HAPPY vowel I have /i/ > .

For the KIT vowel, if exposed word-finally (due to the elision of final /t/, /d/, or /n/), I just have /ɪ/ > stressed [ɪ] or unstressed [ɨ], without change (and with any vowel length and nasalization being preserved).

[Melteor]

Native speakers of English:
What allophone do you have for /I/ if you try to pronounce it in an open syllable? Is it [e@] or a raised @?

For the HAPPY vowel I have /i/ > .

For the KIT vowel, if exposed word-finally (due to the elision of final /t/, /d/, or /n/), I just have /ɪ/ > stressed [ɪ] or unstressed [ɨ], without change (and with any vowel length and nasalization being preserved).

Thanks for that. I'm not too confident after not being able to hear /E/ in 'yeah', so I assumed it must be gliding here too, but that probably has more to do with dragging out the vowel and changes in the voice...I'll get better at this though.

[Whimemsz]

dulcimer
thirteen
multiply
cider
hall

/'dəlsɪmɚ/
/θɚ'tin/ in isolation or when its being used as a quantifier; /'θɚtin/ when counting
/'məltɪplaɪ/ (not sure about the second vowel, might be /ə/?)
/'saɪdɚ/
/hɑl/

[Travis B.]

dulcimer: /ˈdʌlsɪmər/ > [ˈd̥ʌɤ̞̯sɨ̃ːmʁ̩ˤ(ː)]
thirteen: /ˌθərtˈtin/ > [ˌθʁ̩ˤʔt̚ˈtʰĩ(ː)(n)]
multiply: /ˈmɒltəˌplae̯/ > [ˈmɒo̯tʰəˌpʰɰăĕ̯]~[ˈmɒo̯tʰəˌpʰɰae̯]
cider; /ˈsəe̯dər/ > [ˈsəe̯ɾʁ̩ˤ(ː)]
hall: /ˈhɒl/ > [ˈhɒ(ː)o̯]

[Imralu]

Nazi /ˈnaːtsi/ [ˈnäːtsi]

In the parts of this planet that I refer to as "Earth", boy rhymes with toy and soy, but buoy with chewy and gooey.

So, you only think America is Earth ... typical!

I remember watching Baywatch as a kid and hearing that pronunciation and thinking it was ridiculous.

<this is definitely not for the faint of heart>
[ðɪsəzˈdefənət̚ɫɪi̯ˈnɔt̚fəðəˈfæɪ̯nəvˈhäːt̚]
Sorry, I'm rubbish at transcribing prosody.

I have it like this: [ˈbɐʉ.(w)i]

That's exactly how I say Bowie, as in David.

"pronunciation" [prəˌnän(t)siˈ(j)æɪʃən]
Frequently mispronounced [prəˌnæon(t)siˈ(j)æɪʃən] (and by the same people misspelt "pronounciation")

Pronunciations ending in a hyphen are how these words are pronounced immediately before a vowel.
sure /ʃoː/ [ʃoː] [ʃoːɹ-]
cure /kjʉːə/ [kʰjʉː(w)ɐ] [kʰjʉː(w)əɹ-]
pure /pjʉːə/ [pʰjʉː(w)ɐ] [pʰjʉː(w)əɹ-]
curious /ˈkjʉːriəs/ [kʰjʉːɹi(j)əs]
bureau /bjʉːrɐʉ/ [bjʉːɹɐʉ] [bjʉːɹɐʉw-]
mural /mjʉːrəl/ [mjʉːɹəɫ] [mjʉːɹəw] [mjʉːɹu] [mjʉːɹəɫ-]
tour /tʉːə/ [tʰʉː(w)ɐ] [tʰʉː(w)əɹ-]
poor /poː/ [pʰoː] [pʰoːɹ-]
moor /moː/ [moː] [moːɹ-]
lure /lʉːə/ [lʉː(w)ɐ] [lʉː(w)əɹ-]
boor /boː/ [boː] [boːɹ-]
your /joː/ [joː] [joːɹ-]

Do you contrast the pronunciation of GUI (not as gee-you-aye) and gooey?

I don't think I do.

I don't know what it is so I don't have a normal pronunciation for it. I would say[dʒiːjʉːwɑe] or maybe [gjʉːwi], [gʉːwi] (same as "gooey") or maybe even [gwiː]

dulcimer [ˈdɔɫsəmɐ]
thirteen [θɜːˈtʰiːn] [ˈθɜːɾiːn]
multiply [ˈmɔɫtʰəpʰlɑe]
cider [ˈsɑerɐ]
hall [hoːɫ]

I have the gulf-golf merger unless deliberately speaking clearly.

What allophone do you have for /I/ if you try to pronounce it in an open syllable? Is it [e@] or a raised @?

I read that as /l/, because of the stupid font ...

For me, there is no such thing as /ɪ/ in an open syllable. Of course, I am capable of saying [ɪ] in an open syllable, but that's a sound effect, not an English word. There's no allophony as, to pronounce it, I have to go beyond my phonology and I'm not saying a phoneme. Monty Python had the knights that say ni, and I would pronounce that [nɪ].

We do have a checked vowel in the word meh (and schmeh) which I pronounce [me], but it's basically just an interjection ...

[Bob Johnson]

What allophone do you have for /I/ if you try to pronounce it in an open syllable? Is it [e@] or a raised @?

wha...? happY is , KIT is [ɪ], cutting off <nit> results in [ɪ] still

Monty Python had the knights that say ni, and I would pronounce that [nɪ].

but that's [niː]

... okay maybe it's in free variation or a perfect example of happY vowel or something

[Travis B.]

Monty Python had the knights that say ni, and I would pronounce that [nɪ].

but that's [niː]

... okay maybe it's in free variation or a perfect example of happY vowel or something

I always perceived the NI vowel as being analogous to my FLEECE/HAPPY vowel, i.e. /i/, even though it may have been pronounced as something more open than (too bad I do not have the movie on hand to check). But then, my FLEECE/HAPPY vowel actually covers both close and near-close unrounded front vowels as long as they are not centralized at all.

In contrast, my KIT vowel, i.e. /ɪ/, is not merely near-close but also has a significant degree of centralization, such that I tend to perceive less centralized near-close unrounded front vowels as mapping to my FLEECE/HAPPY vowel. Indeed I perceive my fronted [ɪ] before /r/, i.e. my NEAR vowel, as being /i/ and not /ɪ/, and likewise I tend to perceive Standard German /ɪ/ (and often /eː/) as being like my /i/ and not my /ɪ/ (or my /e/) (resulting in some confusion on my part). (The KIT vowel cannot be underlyingly word-final anyways, which rules it out here.)

Hence even if they were using a near-close vowel, without a deal of centralization, the Knights who say NI would still very likely be heard by my ears as using the FLEECE/HAPPY vowel and not the KIT vowel.

[Pinetree]

Do you contrast the pronunciation of GUI (not as gee-you-aye) and gooey?

I don't think I do.

I don't know what it is so I don't have a normal pronunciation for it. I would say[dʒiːjʉːwɑe] or maybe [gjʉːwi], [gʉːwi] (same as "gooey") or maybe even [gwiː]

Well, if you don't know what it is, I'm guessing you use it exclusively (see the link)

[Melteor]

Length
Paltry
Falter
Fallacy
Practical
Farcical
Inimical
Inimitable

[Whimemsz]

Length
Paltry
Falter
Fallacy
Practical
Farcical
Inimical
Inimitable

/læŋkθ/
/ˈpɑltɹi/
/ˈfɑltɚ/
/ˈfælɪsi/
/ˈpɹæktɪkəl/
/ˈfɑɹsɪkəl/
/ɪˈnɪmɪkəl/
/ɪˈnɪmɪtɪbəl/

[Melteor]

/læŋkθ/

Ditto, except I have /liŋkθ/ though I'm sure that's not really phonetic .

[Whimemsz]

What, "leength"? What dialect do you speak? (My /æ/-raising is very minimal, so phonetically for me /læŋkθ/ is something like [ɫæ̃ɛ̃ŋkθ]~[ɫæ̃ɛ̃ŋkʰθ])

[Melteor]

What, "leength"? What dialect do you speak? (My /æ/-raising is very minimal, so phonetically for me /læŋkθ/ is something like [ɫæ̃ɛ̃ŋkθ]~[ɫæ̃ɛ̃ŋkʰθ])

Upper New York state, near Vermont Massachusetts border. I have crappy ears though. To me, length and thinks, link and think all rhyme.

[----]

I have [ɫɪŋkθ~ɫiŋkθ] for length as well.

[Christopher Schröder]

Length [lɛŋkθ]
Paltry ['pʰɑːɫt.ɹi]
Falter [fɑːɫ.tɚ]
Fallacy ['fæl.ə.si]
Practical ['pʰɹæk.tɨk.ɫ̩]
Farcical ['fɑɹs.ɨk.ɫ̩]
Inimical [ɨ'nɪm.ɨ.kɫ̩]
Inimitable [ɨ'nɪm.ɨt.ə.bɫ̩]

[Travis B.]

length: /ˈleŋkθ/ > [ˈʟ̞ẽŋɡ̊θ]~[ˈɰẽŋɡ̊θ]
paltry: /ˈpɒltri/ > [ˈpʰɒo̯tʃʰɹ̠͡ɰˤi(ː)]
falter: /ˈfɒltər/ > [ˈfɒo̯tʰʁ̩ˤ(ː)]
fallacy: /ˈfɛləsi/ > [ˈfɛːɤ̯əsi(ː)]
practical: /ˈprɛktɪkəl/ > [ˈpʰɰˤɛʔktɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
farcical: /ˈfarsɪkəl/ > [ˈfɑʁˤs̻ɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
inimical: /ɪˈnɪmɪkəl/ > [ɨ̃ːˈnɪ̃ːmɨɡ̊ɯ̞(ː)]
inimitable: /ɪˈnɪmɪˌtəbəl/ > [ɨ̃ːˈnɪ̃ːmɨ̃ˌtʰəːb̥ɯ̞(ː)]

[jmcd]

Length /ɫɛnθ/ [ɫɛnθ]
Paltry /paɫtɾi/ [paɫtɾe]
Falter /fɔɫtəɾ/ [fɔɫʔəɾ]
Fallacy /faɫasi/ [faɫɐse]
Practical /pɾaktɪkəɫ/ [pɾaˀktɘkəɫ]
Farcical /faɾsɪkɘɫ/ [faːɾsɘkɘɫ]
Inimical /ɪnɪmɪkɘɫ/ [ɪnɪmɪkəɫ]
Inimitable /ɪnɪmɪtəbəɫ/ [ɪnɪmɘʔəbəɫ]
Although I don't think I've never used the word paltry so it's basically hypothetical.