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Is it a Miwok language?
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Nope.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
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It's Andean. And I'll wager it's some variety of Quechuan.
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It is Andean, but not Quechuan.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Is it Pano-Tacanan?

Scratch that, is it Mataco?
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<Moon> Záparo
<Nesescosac> No, it's not that.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Is it Aymara?

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It is not Pano-Tacanan, nor Mataco, nor Aymaran.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Yeah, I realized after I posted that Aymara doesn't have /kʷ/. Based on some quick phonological research, I'm going to guess that it's Chipaya.

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Nope.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Alright, since nobody else seems to be stepping up to the plate I'll take another crack at it; is is Uru?

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Yup! Sorry it took so long for me to answer.
I did have a bizarrely similar (to the original poster's) accident about four years ago, in which I slipped over a cookie and somehow twisted my ankle so far that it broke
What kind of cookie?
Aeetlrcreejl > Kicgan Vekei > me /ne.ses.tso.sats/

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Sweet! I figured it was probably one of those two, based on the presence of both /q'/ and /kʷ/. Here's a new one:
Rakat maksene Yesu Kristo,

Dios Muwe iya,

mes kan ik Apa, itsase me misis

nepesum kan mes kurun ik Dios,

itsase ik čukis kan ik huče asues ekṭ

kan ik hasempis ik Diose ik eksum,

nepesum, kan iṭi es ik čukis

ik asues ekṭ

kan iṭi es, ka hasempis ik Dios,

kan nonos ik nosow, ekwetak asue,

iuska ekṭ,

mex im uru iṭi ik Dios.

Kan ka usi

kanis ananiti ik Dios, usekne

Yesu Kristo sutunis Krustika, makeson;

nepesum kan ka i'isi, asues ik Dios

itsasum elexsum taraktika,

usekne me nokos,

ik misis Dios

ara me iti itsasum elexsum,

numa misis Esekmen. Amen.

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Maybe a Dutch-based creole like Papiamentu?

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Nope, though obviously it does have some rather prominent loanwords from some European language.

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Something Utian? I mean, the <ṭ> is probably retroflex and there are no voiced obstruents.
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It is, in fact, Utian. :)

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Mutsun?
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Nope. Honestly, I've tried to find some actual texts for Mutsun, but it looks like there's not much available aside from word lists and phrase books.

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CatDoom wrote:Nope. Honestly, I've tried to find some actual texts for Mutsun, but it looks like there's not much available aside from word lists and phrase books.
You don't have Marc Okrand's Mutsun grammar?
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Okrand doesn't have any examples longer than 5 or 6 words, and even those are sparse.
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Oakrand's grammar of Mutsun was actually one of my big inspirations when I first got into conlanging, and my first conlang was basically Mutsun with Malagasy consonants and only three vowels. I still have a soft spot for that grammar, but Okrand was sadly limited by his sources. He based his work entirely on a corpus of around 2,800 pages of unpublished notes made by JP Harrington, which he describes in the forward as "unfortunately lacking any good texts."

Those are just the notes that were available at Berkeley when Okrand was there; Harrington apparently made a total of around 67,500 pages of notes on the language, though that includes a lot of duplicate information, copies of published works, and blank pages. It's all unpublished and basically unorganized, so it's possible that there are some longer texts in there somewhere, but they're not available online.

As far as I've been able to figure out, the only substantial Mutsun texts known to exist have been created as part of a language revitalization effort, including a translation of Green Eggs and Ham that I really wish I could find a copy of.

Edit: evidently there's also a partial written record of a traditional story about 'Hemetc’a Wak-koro' (probably [hɛmɛtʃʰɑ wɑkːoɾo], where the aspiration on the affricate is non-phonemic), a one-legged man who eats children, but I can't find a copy of that either.

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Chalon?
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Nortaneous wrote:Chalon?
Nope.

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Is it an Ohlone language?
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