Your Native Language

[Jipí]

IRONY
when a JPG of a troll face trolls you

Derp. *le shrugs*

[Wattmann]

Really? Well, I can imagine, given the rather repressive regime over there.

Viktor loves repressive regimes, though.

trollface.jpg

IRONY

when a JPG of a troll face trolls you

IRONY

when Helios thinks he knows what IRONY is
And I'm not using it correctly as to point out you aren't.

IRONY is when I say "I hate Jane", and end up proposing to her, without any deeper motive.

[Viktor77]

when Helios thinks he knows what IRONY is
And I'm not using it correctly as to point out you aren't.

IRONY is when I say "I hate Jane", and end up proposing to her, without any deeper motive.

WRONG!

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

[Bob Johnson]

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

you do realize those sound completely different right

[ol bofosh]

Yeah, they sound different, but I did titter a little, so that makes it alright. I mean, it's called word play after all.

[Viktor77]

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

you do realize those sound completely different right

Puns disregard sound.

[linguoboy]

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

you do realize those sound completely different right

I can't detect any difference IMD.

[Lyhoko Leaci]

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

you do realize those sound completely different right

I can't detect any difference IMD.

Yes, there the same for me, too. Maybe not if you speak carefully, but otherwise they're the same, or close enough that I don't notice.

[Viktor77]

IRONY is when you take a small little iron kettle, cook some pasta in it and then start to try to eat it and realise, damn that tastes irony.

you do realize those sound completely different right

I can't detect any difference IMD.

Yes, there the same for me, too. Maybe not if you speak carefully, but otherwise they're the same, or close enough that I don't notice.

The difference for me is Irony, the concept: ['ei.r\I.~ni] and Irony, as in tasting like iron: ['ei.3~`.ni]. Because you don't say [ei.r/In] you say [ei.3~`n]. There might be a [j] in front of that [3], it's hard to say.

[Whimemsz]

lolwut?

/ei/??

[Travis B.]

At least here, the two differ slightly:

irony (concept): /ˈəe̯rəˌni/ > [ˈəe̯ʁˤə̃ːˌni(ː)]
irony (adjective): /ˈəe̯ərni/ > [ˈəe̯ʁ̩̃ˤːni(ː)]

[Travis B.]

lolwut?

/ei/??

I think he's trying to represent Canadian Raising in that position. He probably means something more like /əɪ/, representing one of the products of the vowel split that occurs with Canadian Raising in many North American English dialects.

[Nortaneous]

Wait, Canadian raising happens in AmE in environments other than before voiceless plosives and a few /4/ from /d/?

[Travis B.]

Wait, Canadian raising happens in AmE in environments other than before voiceless plosives and a few /4/ from /d/?

Yes, it does. For starters, before coda /r/ and before /ər/, and in many specific words like tiger, spider, cider, and idol. It is the last part that makes it clearly phonemic and not allophonic, as its distribution here is clearly lexicalized (e.g. it does not occur in fiber).

(I should note that the "few /4/ from /d/" is just because a lot of those lexicalized cases are covered by it, but it is not specifically that; tiger has /ɡ/ rather than /d/; at least in my own idiolect, Tiber has it too, then before /b/.)

[jmcd]

Oddly enough, tiger, spider and cider are among the few words for me that have [ai], thus not following the general rule (ai before v ð z ʒ ɾ, əi otherwise).

[Jipí]

Maybe that's the reason why William Blake wrote

Tyger, Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

?

Bible also has irregular /aɪ/, doesn't it?

(Besides, my brain wants to rectify "symmetry" as /sɪmətraɪ/ or "eye" as /iː/ whenever I read that poem.)

[Nortaneous]

Wait, Canadian raising happens in AmE in environments other than before voiceless plosives and a few /4/ from /d/?

Yes, it does. For starters, before coda /r/ and before /ər/, and in many specific words like tiger, spider, cider, and idol. It is the last part that makes it clearly phonemic and not allophonic, as its distribution here is clearly lexicalized (e.g. it does not occur in fiber).

(I should note that the "few /4/ from /d/" is just because a lot of those lexicalized cases are covered by it, but it is not specifically that; tiger has /ɡ/ rather than /d/; at least in my own idiolect, Tiber has it too, then before /b/.)

Huh. IMI it's only "spider" and "cider" that have the raising; ai before ɚ (/air/ isn't a valid sequence) is something like [a:ɚ] or [a:r].

[Bristel]

/aɪɹəniː/ for both.

[Mashmakhan]

Wait, Canadian raising happens in AmE in environments other than before voiceless plosives and a few /4/ from /d/?

Yes, it does. For starters, before coda /r/ and before /ər/, and in many specific words like tiger, spider, cider, and idol. It is the last part that makes it clearly phonemic and not allophonic, as its distribution here is clearly lexicalized (e.g. it does not occur in fiber).

I don't know if I have this correctly but I say those words like this:

Tiger [tAigr\]
Spider [spAidr\]
Cider [sAidr\]
Idol [Aid@\l]

I haven't come across [ei] very much...mostly the [Ai] comes first and then we go into [r\] after the following plosive. Or something like that. I'm still new to using SAMPA to discern dialects so I may still be wrong here.

[Jana Masala]

L1: Malayalam

Family: Malayalam, Kannada, Prakrit, Middle Persian

[Travis B.]

Wait, Canadian raising happens in AmE in environments other than before voiceless plosives and a few /4/ from /d/?

Yes, it does. For starters, before coda /r/ and before /ər/, and in many specific words like tiger, spider, cider, and idol. It is the last part that makes it clearly phonemic and not allophonic, as its distribution here is clearly lexicalized (e.g. it does not occur in fiber).

I don't know if I have this correctly but I say those words like this:

Tiger [tAigr\]
Spider [spAidr\]
Cider [sAidr\]
Idol [Aid@\l]

I haven't come across [ei] very much...mostly the [Ai] comes first and then we go into [r\] after the following plosive. Or something like that. I'm still new to using SAMPA to discern dialects so I may still be wrong here.

Well, the exact vowel may vary from dialect to dialect for this. My own dialect has [əe̯], closer to the aforementioned "[ei]", but I have heard of people with back starting POAs for this, such as [ʌɪ̯], so hearing of one with [ɑ] as a starting point is not too much of a surprise.

[Xephyr]

L1: Malayalam

You seem like a pretty cool dude. Let's be friends.

[Jana Masala]

You seem like a pretty cool dude. Let's be friends.

Thank you. Though, through the years, I've found people like me more for my Dravidian languages than for my personality.

[Astraios]

Surely that's better than being liked only for your looks.

[Wattmann]

You seem like a pretty cool dude. Let's be friends.

Thank you. Though, through the years, I've found people like me more for my Dravidian languages than for my personality.

Uh, DUH?
I'm unfortunately a native Indoeuropean, although I might have some Uralic blood, I speak no Uralic tongue.

Poor me.
You OTOH, have Dravidianess in yourself - you, sir (?), are blessed