Help your conlang fluency (2)
Re: Help your conlang fluency
seriously stop telling oldbies what not to do
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
schyrsivochter wrote:Could you please use IPA? X-SAMPA may be easier to type, but IPA is far easier to read. I for one have to look up most of the characters you use there. Here’s a conversion tool to make it easier for you.Salmoneus wrote:/sodVn mi agon pluI tSQIz\e: w3gne: sQ: le:w@\fra:ka h3 xAUva h3T p3re: d@\s3T nofEke: de roprEIz\e: fOk tSan
...Could we please all just go out of our way feeding our posts through conversion programmes so that you don't have to learn xsampa? The conlanging community, and this board, have been using xsampa for more than a decade. If you really can't cope with it, I believe there are now online translator tools to help you. For instance, here's a conversion tool to make it easier for you - you can just copy-paste my sampa into that and it'll give you IPA.
General hint: newbies demanding that moderators do extra work that the newbie could do themselves but can't be bothered to... that's sort of a misunderstanding of the way that group dynamics generally work on the internet.
And be grateful that you're too fresh to remember the days when everything was a melange of X-SAMPA, Americanist Notation, Kirschenbaum and CXS (alas, my own XXX-SAMOA never caught on...).
MORE IMPORTANTLY: using sampa isn't just easier, it's also politer. Some users may not be able to display all IPA correctly, and some visually impaired users may rely on text-to-speech programmes that struggle with unicode.
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Okay, I see your point. I’m sorry. Thank you. (I’m not going to switch to X-SAMPA, though.)
My version of the SCA²
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
Re: Help your conlang fluency
that's fair - it is uglier
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Admittedly, this does go against my other principle of "people posting about their conlangs shouldn't make their readers do extra work when they could do it themselves". And for that reason, I'm trying to get into the habit of using IPA when doing bigger sort-of 'presentation'-y things. But this is just trying a language out in a one-liner, so I'm not too worried about whether people fully understand the accent or not in this case.
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?
*Proper/formal:
Nehak uistoddu koróadu hadu gus?
[néhak wistóddu k(o)róː(.a).u há.u ɡús]
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?
*Proper/formal:
Nehak uistoddu koróadu hadu gus?
[néhak wistóddu k(o)róː(.a).u há.u ɡús]
Είναι όλα Ελληνικά για μένα.Radius Solis wrote:The scientific method! It works, bitches.
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Bwǫ męzumǫnd.Boşkoventi wrote:Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?
[b͡vɒ mɛa̯.ˈzɔʊ̯.mɒnt]
More: show
My version of the SCA²
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
::|| mɛ >kaalaaz< dɜi eemɛ mɔ̨i | mɛ mɔ̨i eth leepee ::: cashlɛ̨itsįjhee dɛ̨m ||::Boşkoventi wrote:Nehak uistoddu króu hau gus?
[néhak wistóddu króu̯ hau̯ ɡús]
Where's ur conlangs?
*Proper/formal:
Nehak uistoddu koróadu hadu gus?
[néhak wistóddu k(o)róː(.a).u há.u ɡús]
My conlangs are in my mind; my mind is slow at translating into them
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But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Vadda uk si ihingi (uda).Salmoneus wrote:::|| mɛ >kaalaaz< dɜi eemɛ mɔ̨i | mɛ mɔ̨i eth leepee ::: cashlɛ̨itsįjhee dɛ̨m ||::
My conlangs are in my mind; my mind is slow at translating into them
[vádːa uk si iʃíŋːi (ú.a)]
that-C5 NEG COP excuse-NMLZ (MOD.NEG-C5)
That is not (no*) excuse.
* Double (i.e. repeated) negation is due to influence from Victot li Rhák, and therefore fairly high-class.
"::||", pai san, dandu goud umi hoháso muse?
[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]
..., and like, symbol-PL def.C3-PL AUX3-PL mean what-INT
What do the symbols "::||", etc. mean?
Είναι όλα Ελληνικά για μένα.Radius Solis wrote:The scientific method! It works, bitches.
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This is maybe a stupid question, but what do the acutes mean?Boşkoventi wrote:[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]
My version of the SCA²
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
High tone. Vaida Mi ha has pitch accent rather than stress accent.schyrsivochter wrote:This is maybe a stupid question, but what do the acutes mean?Boşkoventi wrote:[... pái̯ san | z̪ánːu ɡó.uː úmi hoháːso múse]
Είναι όλα Ελληνικά για μένα.Radius Solis wrote:The scientific method! It works, bitches.
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Re: Help your conlang fluency
Is shanos escen Suomias nal tasim feneshev un Inglishith sesinon ekh. Nal lashan?
I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?
I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?
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Xe nyadrajéd rrágh gu sáí baizí gè nyalyéd c'ĕ sób hngàì c’ĕdĕră.Carolina Conlanger wrote:Is shanos escen Suomias nal tasim feneshev un Inglishith sesinon ekh. Nal lashan?
I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?
[ɕe ɲaɖadʑet̪̚˩˥ raq̚˩˥ ku s̪ɛː˩˥ bɛd̪z̪iː˩˥ keː˥˩ ɲaʎet̪̚˩˥ t̪s̪'e˩˥ s̪op̚ ŋ̊ɛː˥˩ t̪s̪'əd̪əɻa˩˥]
NEG 1S=POT-judge CNSTR/truth that word because CNSTR/job 1S-learn any tongue ATTR/be.another be.difficult
I can't say if that's true, because it's difficult for me to learn any other language.
Q’e nyat’úg yŭ xe jibă dŭ Íŋĕlrĕxe Srúwomi.
[tɕ'e ɲat̪'uk̚˩˥ ju˩˥ ɕe tɕiba˩˥ t̪u˩˥ iː˩˥ŋəɭəʑe ʂuː˩˥womi]
but 1S=know CNSTR/fact NEG 3S.AN=be.similar really English Finnish
However, I do know that Finnish isn't very similar to English.
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Mi tingk moda toka fi Inggles fayn olda oda langwic mek ahcip fi lehn. Mi swel tingk Finlan langwic u isi pas dem oda langwic sem Rosian o Caynis.Carolina Conlanger wrote:I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?
I think mother speakers of English find all other languages (are) difficult to learn. I also think Finnish is easier than some other languages like Russian or Chinese.
Wo yu min "sesop canal"? Mi soso ansa as fi k1234567890y, yu af wik eya? What's up with olda baksay man de dis pah?Salmoneus wrote:Well, I was going to try working on some Leewefraaka here, but it seems this is actually the roleplaying sex channel
What do you mean "sex channel"? I just answered a question of k*y, are you over-sensitive? What's up with all these backward people in this place?
JAL
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Το είναι, κωσσιδεράντες να δεν σιτάντος είμαι εγώ εκκί.What do you mean "sex channel"? I just answered a question of k*y, are you over-sensitive? What's up with all these backward people in this place?
Yes they are, considering I'm not even here.
Φίνλεϊ τυμυλτώσος χΔΔ.seriously stop telling oldbies what not to do
Grumpy Finlay xDD.
Re: Help your conlang fluency
pue sayompa itsani ena hunamya
after month-many PROX-story P.1SG confuse-CAUS
After many months, this thread confuses me.
after month-many PROX-story P.1SG confuse-CAUS
After many months, this thread confuses me.
Re: Help your conlang fluency
Bjodjaó Suomveja lódush bid qxágaimy. Sú lólódó tedyk léaweg núj, qwai qxávejó dánhy. Suomveja bid shijy ag azhígy Latinavejawaln.jal wrote:Mi tingk moda toka fi Inggles fayn olda oda langwic mek ahcip fi lehn. Mi swel tingk Finlan langwic u isi pas dem oda langwic sem Rosian o Caynis.Carolina Conlanger wrote:I have heard it being told that Finnish is a very hard language for English speakers to learn. Is it true?
I think mother speakers of English find all other languages (are) difficult to learn. I also think Finnish is easier than some other languages like Russian or Chinese.
I agree that it is not hard to learn Finnish. I've been learning it for a year now, even though I don't speak it well. Finnish is clear and beatiful, akin to Latin.
Meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. My second language is English. Olim discēbam Latinam. Sú ginévam Jagárhvejak. Opiskelen Suomea. Un ek kür en lütten Tick Platt.
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nanku nkatampakQxentio wrote:Finnish is clear and beautiful, akin to Latin.
1PL.RECP agree-much-NEG
You and I very much disagree.
somenkeli kue tlatina nka
Finnish as Latin EMP.NEG
Finnish and Latin are not alike!
Re: Help your conlang fluency
masako, bid aln vejadh. Latinaveja ag Suomveja bizh qxárhídhy, qwai vejó sú, bizh alnawí. Shizh xálík thrhálouloumík ag rhíkizh géjbvámade mel vejadh. Dhily bid ted sújew Doitshew wádhurede.
masako, it is as you say. Latin and Finnish are not related, yet I say they are similar. They have many vowels and flow off your lips when you speak. This is true from my German point of view.
masako, it is as you say. Latin and Finnish are not related, yet I say they are similar. They have many vowels and flow off your lips when you speak. This is true from my German point of view.
Meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. My second language is English. Olim discēbam Latinam. Sú ginévam Jagárhvejak. Opiskelen Suomea. Un ek kür en lütten Tick Platt.
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omyo tayo hya'oQxentio wrote:This is true from my German point of view.
opinion 2sg.POSS be.weird
Your opinion is weird.
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Ναι μαις. Μίρα το Κουένια. Ισπιράρο να το Φιννής, σόνα ταλ το Λατίνο. Οι σιμιλαριτύδες είναι ελλί.
Not at all - look at Quenya. Inspired by Finnish, sounds like Latin. The similarities are there.
Not at all - look at Quenya. Inspired by Finnish, sounds like Latin. The similarities are there.
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Nam cịn nancedıblaf lıippǫ ihö. (No. 4a)masako wrote:omyo tayo hya'oQxentio wrote:This is true from my German point of view.
opinion 2sg.POSS be.weird
Your opinion is weird.
[nəm ɕɪn ˈnən.ɕe.di.bləf ˈljɛɪ̯.ɸɒ ˈɛɪ̯.o]
Nam cịn nance-dı-bl-af lıippǫ-∅ ihö.
as.for 1.S.LOC weird-be-NEG-4.S opinion-IND.S.NOM 3.S.GEN
I don’t think that his opinion is weird.
Edit: The word lıippǫ above should be lıiphǫ.
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My version of the SCA²
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
About my conlangs: No. 1 is my proto-language, and No. 4, my main conlang, is one of its descendants. I’m currently revising 4, calling it 4a.
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somenkeli yema tlatina ke kuenya ikyoyeThry wrote:Ναι μαις. Μίρα το Κουένια. Ισπιράρο να το Φιννής, σόνα ταλ το Λατίνο. Οι σιμιλαριτύδες είναι ελλί.
Not at all - look at Quenya. Inspired by Finnish, sounds like Latin. The similarities are there.
Both Finnish and Latin inspired Quenya...
Re: Help your conlang fluency
Linəʔiknači səhānətəxəmxanūk vičtəyyåvu lå hāpart lətinīnnə ʔut səmīnnə.
[linəˈʔiknædʒi səɦæːnədɐʁɐmχɑˈnuːk ʋitʃtəjˈjɒʋu lɒ ˈhæːbært lədiˈniːnːə ʔut səˈmiːnːə]
I can see the similarities between Latin and Finnish.
[linəˈʔiknædʒi səɦæːnədɐʁɐmχɑˈnuːk ʋitʃtəjˈjɒʋu lɒ ˈhæːbært lədiˈniːnːə ʔut səˈmiːnːə]
I can see the similarities between Latin and Finnish.
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Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: Help your conlang fluency
yoto ua ato ula kala ta'o nisapa ma ke itlon tloya
Any two languages can be compared and found similar in one way or another.
Any two languages can be compared and found similar in one way or another.